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THe first dog in the 2 videos was suposedly KNPV trained at a high levels and imported from Hungry(?) from what the Sheriff told me. The other was a lady's pet that was too much for her to handle. Not sure if there is even papers on that one. Need to check out the papers of the other one.When I do I will post it and maybe someone that knows more about the Mals/Dutchies can tell about the breeding on it.
>>>Edited>>> Holland not Hungry.Thanks 4pack for saying Holland and sparking my memory.

Here is the problem as I see it. For some reason the European vendors have this mentality that we here in America want these over aggressive dogs. We seem to get offered and purchase quite a bit with too much energy, handler aggression. I have observed several trainers test these dogs. He hits the sleeve or the suit like a maniac, he chases the toy and destroys it and presto with little other testing, he is sold. I believe these dogs are sold to us as for the most part they are too much of a headache and would not be accepted on their forces. 

Deacon, they actually breed for aggression and dogs that bite for the pure pleasure of biting. Not prey monsters over there in Holland. Dogs that are bred to bite with little to no attraction from the decoy. Most of the times these dogs are for crowd control and riot type situations. The dogs are placed on the bite, not sent so not allot of control is needed. Most of our depts don't require such a dog, we want much more control and a dog that wont bite in the wrong instance. Here we can be sued in every bite insident, over there, the courts don't side with the criminals.

So it is not actually that we are getting their headaches. Our police just think they know what is best, they wanted the badest and craziest dog, when in all actuallity, very few of our handlers have the experience to work such a dog.

The principal of "out" is not to take away  what dog wants, but to give him what he wants.
Principal here is totally wrong. I predict that the next step will be e collar. What a shame. There is nothing wrong with the dogs which would be obvious from the video.  Handling is good, decoy is good,  but the method is contradictory to the dog's drive. Long time ago I have learned to go along with the dog and not against it. The training needs to go several squares back and be put on different track. These dogs then could out from long distance in short time. No problem.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Also a problem here is that the dogs are trained in the dutch language , and the command for ; out,, the handlers in the clip
try to give in dutch , only sounds a little bit  like its suppost to sound

also when dogs like this disobey a command and get no correction it will get worse and worse , it has to be black or white for these dogs , then there is no  problem

and 4pack , believe me , courts do take side of criminals here , only whe dont get crazy amounts of money when we win a case , thats an american thing

also when dogs like this disobey a command and get no correction it will get worse and worse , it has to be black or white for these dogs , then there is no problem



YES so true!! They are on fur savers!!!If the dog actually listened then fine have it on a flat collar but if it isn't listening...
 They only would hang the dogs and never did they correct the dog for anything.In "obedience" they would tell the dog over and over again.

also I think its a problem partly created by the people who sold them these dogs , they need to give the buyers the proper "tools"and commands to work these dogs

Is this another talk about police dogs and control? Sorry but my opinion is and always will be my working dog dose not have to have clean outs, once I send my dog I am expecting him/her not to let go the suspect, if I have to walk/run up to out my dog that's fine with me. And for those that say this is why accidents happen, let me tell you one thing: "It's still better than a bullet, because my bullet wont stop once leaves the chamber ;)" this is why I always make sure that my dog can be recalled before he reaches the target. Because once it bits I don't care damaged is done already ;).