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by VomMarischal on 12 January 2010 - 05:01
"I'm wagering that the pup has reasonable sound breeding..."
I'll take that bet! What makes you so sure, the "AKC" part?
The average German shepherd rescue has way too many dogs to devote too much time to completely overhauling mentally screwed up ones. It'd be nice if it were possible to fix them all, but it ain't. Can't get anybody to pay for all that work, or even volunteer to help, for that matter. Rescue ONE, and sure you can fix it. Two, maybe. Rescue more than three? Forget it. In the meantime, 15 really nice dogs get PTS. After a while, you start getting kind of pragmatic about it and forget about the demented urge to take on impossible challenges.
I'll take that bet! What makes you so sure, the "AKC" part?
The average German shepherd rescue has way too many dogs to devote too much time to completely overhauling mentally screwed up ones. It'd be nice if it were possible to fix them all, but it ain't. Can't get anybody to pay for all that work, or even volunteer to help, for that matter. Rescue ONE, and sure you can fix it. Two, maybe. Rescue more than three? Forget it. In the meantime, 15 really nice dogs get PTS. After a while, you start getting kind of pragmatic about it and forget about the demented urge to take on impossible challenges.
by charlie319 on 13 January 2010 - 21:01
I meant "on paper... Granted, even the best bloodlines will spawn an occasional "lemmon".
I looked at the case in a vacuum. Not in a crowded rescue. I was not putting the issue on the rescue outfit. I would think that Morganhorses' friend may have quit on the pup a bit soon.
I looked at the case in a vacuum. Not in a crowded rescue. I was not putting the issue on the rescue outfit. I would think that Morganhorses' friend may have quit on the pup a bit soon.
by Littlenipper on 15 January 2010 - 00:01
Can you post contact information for the people responsible? They should hear from the German Shepherd community at large.
by GSDLovers on 17 January 2010 - 21:01
This is in response to the accusations of one Beth Rood:
Beth,
In response to your latest and last Email to me -- then let it be what it is as you are a spreading lies and distortions. I am blocking your Email because I have better things to do with my time than have drama with you. Go some place else for your drama fix.
I am and have been aware of your story on the GSD Board naming this rescue and me. Maybe it is time I register on that site and tell the other side of the story, inviting people to visit and see our records, which speak for themselves. This rescue has never bred a dog rescued or purchased a dog for breeding. Our history of puppies proves you are a liar that hides in the dark, breeds without knowing the breed and dumps what you should be fixing yourself because you took the dog. Yes, I know you well too. Buy or get dogs for breeding then dump them, get letters that say you placed them in rescue so you can get another dog. And then breed dogs with fair hips that could easily lead to more dysplasia in a world where we, rescues, spend thousands doing surgery to get these dogs out of pain.
If you were not so intent on defending a posititon with no truth you would clearly see we mention Hunter's AKC papers in his description on our website and clearly say they are worthless as there is no history of OFAing hips and elbows making Hunter basically backyard bred. Maggie is the exact same. We do pass on AKC papers with clear registrations in the hopes the adopters with get CGCs on their rescued dogs. Backyard bred dogs should never be bred. Take your alleged stories whereever you want. I have the paperwork proving how many dogs you've dumped on this rescue so we could stand the expense of rehabilitation, medical care, psychological services, quality food, love, etc. and anyone is welcome to look at the history of every dog in this rescue - there has never been a dog bred, and there will never be a rescue dog bred. Scream your story from the roof top and our record will speak for itself. You cannot say the same.
Do not contact this rescue in future as our doors are closed to you. I've told you that before. We are a serious rescue with the intention of helping dogs and puppies in need. Your animals are being dumped so you can get more animals that you may dump. Oh, but you don't want that story to be told do you? Gosh, the truth hurts doesn't it when the light shines on you. Let's post your record with dogs and post this rescue's record with dogs and see what is says. You won't do that because we have a strong history of spay/neuter, holistic care, allopathic care, surgery to relieve suffering, psychological services to those dogs needing it, and letters to prove it, and references and histories on every dog in the rescue. Talk to whatever board member you want, this rescue has never bred a dog in its life and every board member knows that. I do not believe you. Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there and then thrown away because of the number of dogs needing rescue. Rescue and breeding doesn't mix in my mind. The mind set is entirely different. If every breeder took back what he or she created then rescues like this one would not be needed. We microchip every dog before it leaves this rescue so that it can always be reclaimed. Once we accept a dog into our program it has a home for life. Fortunately, rescues have better strength of purpose then many breeders or people who see nothing wrong with dumping dogs and getting the next one. Purchasing or buying a dog with problems doesn't mean you pass it on to someone else and try again. You took responsibility when you got that animal. Live up to that responsibility. These are difficult times and we've had to accept many dogs into our program that the owners would have preferred not to surrender, but due to finances, losing their homes, etc
Beth,
In response to your latest and last Email to me -- then let it be what it is as you are a spreading lies and distortions. I am blocking your Email because I have better things to do with my time than have drama with you. Go some place else for your drama fix.
I am and have been aware of your story on the GSD Board naming this rescue and me. Maybe it is time I register on that site and tell the other side of the story, inviting people to visit and see our records, which speak for themselves. This rescue has never bred a dog rescued or purchased a dog for breeding. Our history of puppies proves you are a liar that hides in the dark, breeds without knowing the breed and dumps what you should be fixing yourself because you took the dog. Yes, I know you well too. Buy or get dogs for breeding then dump them, get letters that say you placed them in rescue so you can get another dog. And then breed dogs with fair hips that could easily lead to more dysplasia in a world where we, rescues, spend thousands doing surgery to get these dogs out of pain.
If you were not so intent on defending a posititon with no truth you would clearly see we mention Hunter's AKC papers in his description on our website and clearly say they are worthless as there is no history of OFAing hips and elbows making Hunter basically backyard bred. Maggie is the exact same. We do pass on AKC papers with clear registrations in the hopes the adopters with get CGCs on their rescued dogs. Backyard bred dogs should never be bred. Take your alleged stories whereever you want. I have the paperwork proving how many dogs you've dumped on this rescue so we could stand the expense of rehabilitation, medical care, psychological services, quality food, love, etc. and anyone is welcome to look at the history of every dog in this rescue - there has never been a dog bred, and there will never be a rescue dog bred. Scream your story from the roof top and our record will speak for itself. You cannot say the same.
Do not contact this rescue in future as our doors are closed to you. I've told you that before. We are a serious rescue with the intention of helping dogs and puppies in need. Your animals are being dumped so you can get more animals that you may dump. Oh, but you don't want that story to be told do you? Gosh, the truth hurts doesn't it when the light shines on you. Let's post your record with dogs and post this rescue's record with dogs and see what is says. You won't do that because we have a strong history of spay/neuter, holistic care, allopathic care, surgery to relieve suffering, psychological services to those dogs needing it, and letters to prove it, and references and histories on every dog in the rescue. Talk to whatever board member you want, this rescue has never bred a dog in its life and every board member knows that. I do not believe you. Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there and then thrown away because of the number of dogs needing rescue. Rescue and breeding doesn't mix in my mind. The mind set is entirely different. If every breeder took back what he or she created then rescues like this one would not be needed. We microchip every dog before it leaves this rescue so that it can always be reclaimed. Once we accept a dog into our program it has a home for life. Fortunately, rescues have better strength of purpose then many breeders or people who see nothing wrong with dumping dogs and getting the next one. Purchasing or buying a dog with problems doesn't mean you pass it on to someone else and try again. You took responsibility when you got that animal. Live up to that responsibility. These are difficult times and we've had to accept many dogs into our program that the owners would have preferred not to surrender, but due to finances, losing their homes, etc
by MorganHorses on 18 January 2010 - 03:01
To GSDLOVERS, Please post your name!
I have seen the ORIGINAL E- Mails & IM's. The RESCUE stated they wanted the papers to BREED the dog! This is a FACT!! Why they did this I do not know. Hopefully the dog has been spayed! Care to post proof of this here for everyone to see?
I have seen the ORIGINAL E- Mails & IM's. The RESCUE stated they wanted the papers to BREED the dog! This is a FACT!! Why they did this I do not know. Hopefully the dog has been spayed! Care to post proof of this here for everyone to see?
by Ramage on 18 January 2010 - 05:01
GSDLovers - I totally disagree with this statement in your post:
"Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there"
NO. Breeding is NOT always "thrown out there" and discussed by rescues. A legitimate rescue NEVER considers breeding as a mean for funds. This statement makes me really question your post and your principals. Also, if the person in question is getting a letter saying she surrendered a dog to rescue, how would this make other people want to give her new dogs? This doesn't make sense. If someone came to me and wanted my dog, then showed me a letter stating they surrendered not one, but numerous dogs ... well, there is no way I would allow a dog of mine to go to that person.
Several statements in your post sound a bit off.
"Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there"
NO. Breeding is NOT always "thrown out there" and discussed by rescues. A legitimate rescue NEVER considers breeding as a mean for funds. This statement makes me really question your post and your principals. Also, if the person in question is getting a letter saying she surrendered a dog to rescue, how would this make other people want to give her new dogs? This doesn't make sense. If someone came to me and wanted my dog, then showed me a letter stating they surrendered not one, but numerous dogs ... well, there is no way I would allow a dog of mine to go to that person.
Several statements in your post sound a bit off.
by KileysHuman on 18 January 2010 - 21:01
"The dog's owner should have sucked it up and put the dog down, taking responsibility for his/her own problems."
What an ignorant and immature thing to say. This is the opposite of taking responsibility for anything. I have rehabilitated countless GSDs as a trainer. It is true that some have been so badly damaged that the liklihood of bringing them back from the edge is slim. However, that decision shoudl be made by someone who has experience with these types of dogs and not by the owner that screwed them up in the first place or some equally ignorant 3rd party.
As for the rescue that wants to breed the dog, I think that is despicable as they are only contributing to the problems they are allegedly trying to solve.
As for any and all of you snobs and twits who made comments alluding to support of the killing of all dogs with issues, I can only hope none of you are breeders. Luckily for you, your lack of intelligence and compassion was not enough for anyone to kill, though your poor bredding is quite evident.
What an ignorant and immature thing to say. This is the opposite of taking responsibility for anything. I have rehabilitated countless GSDs as a trainer. It is true that some have been so badly damaged that the liklihood of bringing them back from the edge is slim. However, that decision shoudl be made by someone who has experience with these types of dogs and not by the owner that screwed them up in the first place or some equally ignorant 3rd party.
As for the rescue that wants to breed the dog, I think that is despicable as they are only contributing to the problems they are allegedly trying to solve.
As for any and all of you snobs and twits who made comments alluding to support of the killing of all dogs with issues, I can only hope none of you are breeders. Luckily for you, your lack of intelligence and compassion was not enough for anyone to kill, though your poor bredding is quite evident.
by TessJ10 on 18 January 2010 - 22:01
<<GSDLovers - I totally disagree with this statement in your post:
"Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there">>
Hey now, a little unfair that you cut off the rest of her sentence. What she actually wrote was: "Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there and then thrown away because of the number of dogs needing rescue."
She's simply saying it comes up, which is probably true in a lot of brainstorming, bring up every crazy idea, sessions around the table at a lot of places. I can see that.
"Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there">>
Hey now, a little unfair that you cut off the rest of her sentence. What she actually wrote was: "Yes, every rescue talks about how to finance itself through difficult financial times and breeding is always thrown out there and then thrown away because of the number of dogs needing rescue."
She's simply saying it comes up, which is probably true in a lot of brainstorming, bring up every crazy idea, sessions around the table at a lot of places. I can see that.
by Ramage on 18 January 2010 - 22:01
TessJ10 - I'm sorry, but no legitimate rescue brings up breeding, even while brain storming. You may "see that" but I do not. I have known quite a few rescues and none of them would even consider this let alone bring it up to a board of directors.
by VomMarischal on 18 January 2010 - 22:01
"What an ignorant and immature thing to say."
Before you go calling people names, why don't you just stop for a minute and think about the "countless" GSDs some of us in rescue have ALL AT ONCE, the dozens who come thru every month, some of whom the shelters temperament test and never even send out to rescues....Oh man, you are a talent indeed if you think you can fix everybody else's problems and all the broken dogs out there, Kileyshuman. Nice start, come on here blasting people rudely. And let me tell you something...if a dog's owner tries extra hard and can't manage it, 1) the dog probably should be put down because the rest of the Joe Publics can't handle him either; and 2) dog owners should be forced to LOOK THE DOG IN THE EYE when it dies because of them. There'd be fewer dogs in rescue if people had to SEE FIRSTHAND the results of their idiot ideas to buy lawn ornaments.
Just exactly HOW is handing the dog off to someone else to fix up the MATURE and RESPONSIBLE thing to do???
Before you go calling people names, why don't you just stop for a minute and think about the "countless" GSDs some of us in rescue have ALL AT ONCE, the dozens who come thru every month, some of whom the shelters temperament test and never even send out to rescues....Oh man, you are a talent indeed if you think you can fix everybody else's problems and all the broken dogs out there, Kileyshuman. Nice start, come on here blasting people rudely. And let me tell you something...if a dog's owner tries extra hard and can't manage it, 1) the dog probably should be put down because the rest of the Joe Publics can't handle him either; and 2) dog owners should be forced to LOOK THE DOG IN THE EYE when it dies because of them. There'd be fewer dogs in rescue if people had to SEE FIRSTHAND the results of their idiot ideas to buy lawn ornaments.
Just exactly HOW is handing the dog off to someone else to fix up the MATURE and RESPONSIBLE thing to do???
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