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Regarding challenging the scorebooks,  probably no one ever thought to bring it up, nor had the moxy to do it because of everyone's shitty attitudes and the sick bickering over clubs which just brings members down.  People just want to trial and show their dogs so they stay out of the fray.  Just by the discussions on this board and others, I am really amazed at the lack of knowledge people have.  But maybe that is why there is no transparancy with any club and especially now with USA. People rely way to much on well "that's what I was told" or just sit in the dark because they are afraid to ask a question for fear of appearing stupid.  Easy to control people who do not have knowldege.

The SV does not hunt around for problems, just like the USA BOI does not go hunting, well at least up to now.  USA BOI waits until a complaint is filed and then they look into it.  SV cannot police what is going on between the clubs unless someone complains. I came very close a couple of times but even I played the game just to keep the peace and had judges sign USA and WDA and SV books just because I get tired of all the bickering. The judges would just look at me and said this is crazy, I said I agreed and stated I am just trying to get along, keep from having a BS blow up.

The bickering is poor sportsmanship and a high school drama perpetuated by adults.  A score by an SV judge is valid whether it is written in a WDA or Czech, Hungarian, or whatever from the moon scorebook there is.  USA has no more and no less esteem of the SV or WUSV than anyone else.  USA's paper is no better than anyone else's.  

The logic that this has been going on since 2003 is like the logic of a  juvenile deliquent who keeps breaking the law and no one has the time to deal with a penny ante theif  - because he has never been caught or challenged that makes all behavior OK.  Because no one says anything he gains confidence and power and becomes a bully and that's just where USA is now.   The Emporer has been walking around with his new clothes for sometime with everyone afraid to say he is naked for fear of reprisals or looking stupid - its about time people had the guts to say the obvious, there aren't any clothes. Jus t people agreeing because they are afraid to not agree.   At some point the members and their needs should come first rather than manipulative people's aspirations of greatness over a dog club of all things.  Can't wait for the next directive to goosestep to, because after all, it will be "what is good for the club " will be the rallying cry, again with no semblance of logic.  Pretty soon thinking will be a conflict of interest.

 The judge was Mike West that did my original BH but i had to do it again for Ernest Hintz and then continue the next day with a sch1. I called USA that week and they said don't worry about it the judge will just send us the score book and you will be fine. Trial day i find out I'm going for a BH not a sch1. I was so MAD. I didn't even remember the BH ROUTINE! Sounds dumb but i had drilled a sch1 and 2 routine for weeks visualizing and it was stuck in my head that way. Mr. Hintz was very understanding.

In so far as Diegel being in the room, has anyone caught on yet that whatever SV person is here they get along with whoever is in the room and their host, paid their way?  Honestly they don't give a shit if USA and WDA would kill each other. Not their pig and not their farm. Only when it becomes a problem with them direct as a financail loss does it become their fight.  Henke was in the room last year at the WUSV when board members told him they were going to do this LAST YEAR.  Does that mean he thought it was a good idea?  This playing of who does daddy love more is just ridiculous.

So the people on this board who are not happy with the turn USA has taken are "ballless wonders" and "proven themselves capable of doing whatever they can to stir up shit ...and keep it stirred for as long as possible, when it suits their purpose"   I think that same thing has been said about people who complain about their "funny uncle". 

So that is your opinion of anyone who says what they have said that is not in agreement with USA's new amendments.  Hmmm. Good logic, at least your opinion is not a conflict of interest with USA's. - Oh that's right, you have not belonged to any other club in how long? so none of this has any effect on you!   You lost no options, you have a club near you for training and trials and shows, actually a few and you have kept your appointment to the By-Law Committee that dreamed this thing up.   If passing all the bylaws for membership exclusivity were the right thing to do, I am sure all the "ballless wonders" "stirring things up" will only help bring more people that have been just dying to join a club where it is the only place they can be a member.  I think Jim Jones did the same thing and the Koolaid party was a complete success.  A couple of people there had a conflict of interest there at the end not wanting to die, but it was quickly settled with bullets when the Koolaid did not work.  End of conflict of interest.

We are never going to agree on this.  I beleive in having the ability to belong to as many clubs as I want,  you don't.  My take on the conflict of interst is like in banking - there should never be any of the same board of directors on competing banks (and by statute that is so) - but that does not trickle down to customers who have accounts in different banks and use their services.  Its apples and oranges.  I like the freedom of going where the interest rate is better.  Without options, and having to stay with one bank, the interest rate would become non-existent.  Meaning no return on my investment.  Same goes with belonging to a club, restrict people and you do not have to provide much.  Free Stockholm syndrome with every membership. Eventually you will grow to love your captors because that is all you have. 

Again, Diegel in the room or any other SV WUSV or person from Mars does not give validity to what USA or any other orgaznization does. Henke was in the room at NASS and now says that USA has misinterpreted what their newfound judges designation is when all of this blew up regarding the assinine amendment .  So do we say oh that must be right - because the head of the SV was standing there - nope, we wait for a formal statement. 

Also USA has taken a course of action insidiously, gradually, moving towards this exclusivity.  And its always a knee jerk reaction to some percieved insult or wrongdoing by others that somehow fantastically threatens their exisistence, yet there are never any facts that speak to this big "they" threat.

Going back to smartgus frustration - how many on this board know that Mike West was one of the high ranking USA judges until 2003?  This was on of the first things put into place by USA to try to put people in their place by creating the "you can only play with me" with the judges.  Mike was a judge also with WDA and he was told to make a choice.  Its a pretty sick thing when an organziation of about 4000 people feels threatened like this that they have to lash out at everyone.

USA thought enough of Mike West to be a USA judge, but then all of a sudden he was crap because he wanted to judge at WDA events also - the facade that only USA judges are qualified to judge events is a nonsensical arguement - its more of the protectionism USA insiduously effects every few years all the while never giving a compelling reason why. 

So to frustrated smartguy, ain't it great you bust your butt trying to enjoy your dog and because Mike West stood up to USA and walked from being a USA judge, much like what has happened with this membership amemndment, that  you had to repeat your BH etc. ?  Your BH did not count because of USA being spiteful with Mike West in I think 2001 or 2002. 

Well telling judges that they could not be a WDA judge while being a USA judge did not work in killing the competition, so then USA did the kill them through not recognizing WDA scorebooks.  Amazing I can take my WDA scorebook to another country and its recognized, but not good enough for USA. 

Then now here we are in 2009 with the restrictive membership amendment - I would gander a guess that eventually, if that is unsuccessful in killing WDA that someone when they get up on the wrong side of the bed will come up with if you participate in any GSDCA or WDA events, you are out.  Look at the pattern, it just does not stop.

Name calling, saying people are ballless wonders etc. are smoke screen arguments - USA has still failed to give any facts as to why this complete pattern of protectionism through exclusivity is needed for their survival or makes them a beacon of a club to stay with.  Instead of diverting attention from USA's nonsensical actions with name calling, how about laying out the facts of why the insiduous pattern of  amendments over the last years to limit members vis a vis judges and scorebooks .  Guess it did not produce the desired effect, so here comes the membership restriction.

Again, sorry to smartguy - West was a USA judge, he stood up to USA when they did the judges "you can't be a judge in another organziation"  when given the ultimatum, he walked.  Does any of this sound familiar?

Kim,

One can never accuse you of being a "balless wonder"--LOLOL!!

I've enjoyed your argumentation and look forward to reading more of your comments. Perhaps USA should change its name to the Cryptorchid Club of America??

Louise

Kim,
Interesting that you bring up Mike West.
I believe the issue with him was that he was at USA trials as a judge (this is an official capacity) and he was trying to get USA members to sign up with the WDA.
Not only a conflict of interest, but, un-professional, and downright stupid!
Wouldn't this be the reason that USA would not recognize titles earned under WDA judges?
While we're on it, isn't Mike West one of the biggest proponents of the AKC WDS program?
Hmmm......was there something political and backhanded going on there also???

The shit stinks on both sides. Not just USA.

Whether anyone wants to believe it, or not, and regardless of how "official" it was, Danny S. was working on an alliance, or possible merger, or whatever you want to call it with Lyle and he duped him. I know people close to him that have confirmed this, but, will not publicly. As I have said before, look at the meeting minutes from last summer. It is pretty clearly spelled out.
Everyone wants to talk about how USA is the only bad guy in this. Well, it's a bunch of crap. I know a fair number of people who have lost a lot of respect for Danny because they know what he did. I also find it quite amazing how silent he has been over this. I also know of clubs that are dropping their affiliation with the WDA over this and becoming USA clubs. It is going both ways.

Choose your organization, enjoy Thanksgiving, and move on!!!