Teaching the out

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by Bob McKown on 22 December 2010 - 20:12

I completly disagree with " the sleeve is the higest possible reward" Just my opinion.

Just like "sit" in the motion excerises means the same as "sit" when you walk up to the dog during the hold and bark. Yes the stressor may be different but the reaction to the command is the same. The obedience to the command must be the same.

by faq2 on 22 December 2010 - 20:12

you could also be having a problem with the out on a trained dog because of bonding (or lack there of ) and mutual respect. Remember its team work when your out there.

by ziegenfarm on 22 December 2010 - 20:12

i recommend flinks for dogs with "out" problems. seminar is best, but videos are definately worth watching.
pjp

by Platz752 on 22 December 2010 - 20:12

Cool Bob, I will agree to disagree :)

by Bob McKown on 22 December 2010 - 21:12

Platz:

If we agreed on every thing there would only be vanilla ice cream and that would be terrible... Have a good one.

by gsd100 on 22 December 2010 - 23:12

Platz752:

"...With very high prey dogs choke might be needed, really depends on the dog and training foundation."

Not sure if you are saying to choke the dog off to get him to out, or just recommending use of a choke collar. Here is an interesting video of one man's theory on choking dogs off the bite:

leerburg.com/playem.htm

by annadaboo on 23 December 2010 - 00:12

Ivan Balanabov teaches how to "out" a dog in his videos "Clear Communication" and "The Game." His method worked really easily for me.

by Don Corleone on 23 December 2010 - 00:12

Well, like others said, I like to "teach" the out in play. Does it always translate to protection? No. Like someone else said, it depends on what drive the dog is in. In play it is, or should be prey/play. You get a dog on a field with a man that doesn't see it as play, then that is the dog or an inexperienced helper. How many high level trials have you seen where a phenomenal dog has a nice score going and won't out? Strange field, strange helper, not in prey.

by Don Corleone on 23 December 2010 - 00:12

To add, you should really be asking people around you. Maybe a video will help, but those that know the dog and your training are better suited to help you. Some dogs won't out because they are in "drive", while some won't out because they are safe there. Your description lends nothing for anyone to give you any type of response on what you should do. Surprised E hasn't been brought up.

by EUROSHEPHERDS on 23 December 2010 - 05:12

Teaching out to puppy or green dog has nothing todo with a trained dog that has outing problem in protection . I will correct the dog not only for this out also for next time out also and hoping will last for few weeks or more .

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