Is this false or misleading representation? - Page 2

@Hired Dog

The breeder, if experienced, can look at puppies and see what POTENTIAL may be there as well.

 I understand if breeder looks at pups are 8-10 weeks old and decide which has potential but how can a breeder look at 1 day old pups and claim they are all suitable for XYZ training?

@gsdstudent
 

Einstein had been raised by parents who brow beat him that an education was worthless he might have become the best businessman or artist of his day. Einsteins will shine. If einstein had been abused and treated improperly, who might he have looked like? Charles Manson? Ted Bundy?

If a (dumb) Einstein happens to have a very low IQs, no matter how loving his environment or his good his education is, do you think he will ever be a physicist?
If a (smart) Einstein wasn’t brought up or educated correctly than it is the owner or instructors fault but this isn’t about nurture, it is about nature and how a breeder will deemed every newborn pup in the litter already suitable  for tasks that require intelligence without evaluating them.
 

Research all claims whether you are buying a Chevy or a BMW. Then if you leave the show room and drive thru every pothole you can find, never change the oil, or drive as fast as you can in first gear, go sue the car salesman.

Again, your example is more of nurture, which I don’t think is accurate. If a Chevy car salesman tells you all the automobile in his lot, from the tiny Spark to the Silverado 3500, is suitable to tow heavy load, you would expect any one that you purchase to be able to tow a horse trailer, right?


@VKGSDs

If I saw that statement made about a litter, I would assume that one or both of the parents is trained and serving in that capacity and that they have also produce 2 or more dogs working in that capacity.

If 2 out of 6 passed, what about the 4 that didn’t amount to anything because they were of pet qualities? Why don’t the breeder wait till the pups are old enough to evaluate them and price them (pet price vs working price) accordingly instead of claiming the whole litter a working litter suitable for this and that already.

@Hired Dog

I know of no breeder who looks at 1 day old pups and claims anything.

Here is an image of a current litter from a breeder I found. Pups are probably older than a day here but but definetaley not 6-8 week old when advertised as "suitable".


 

Yes, an add from looks like Jinopo. They have bred so many litters and have produced so many dogs, they most likely have experience in what those lines produced and past results have proven them correct.
Suitable means just that, not guaranteed, but, once again, you have not answered my question I asked...what is the nature of your questions and their purpose?
 

But THAT ad. does not actually claim the breeder has known anything
about the individual pups since they were a day old;  and s/he obviously
bases the prediction of the pups' temperaments / working suitability on
the (named) bloodline s/he has used.  Tabby, you can read between the
lines any which way you like, but so far this ad. tells ME:

1  These look as though they may be strong well-bodied dogs when they
grow up  ... barring accidents.
2   The breeder was trying, by the dog used, to get pups for that PPD / LE
function, rather than laid-back 'Golden Retriever type' companion only dogs,
or dogs to be paraded around an AKC Showring.

Whether the breeder will be proved to be right about the whole litter, or if not
all, then any of the pups turning out to be that type, remains to be seen;  and
is certainly dependent on the factors we have been talking about above.  

Could I too ask you to answer Hired Dog's question, please ?

I would say that is an honest assessment of someone who has been breeding dogs for over four decades. Here is the thing when you are a breeder as they are you know everything about the bloodline from individual dogs to what different mixtures of those lines produce. You can almost close your eyes and say when mom is delivering, colors of the dogs, size of the dogs, etc. from day one you see what pup is fighting for tit, what pup lays back and waits for tit, etc. people that have only bred for 15 years are so find it amazing that someone knows what will come out of there litter and what it will be good for. I call it good breeding. If you pitched a sale for that many years there would be thousands of un satisfied pissed of customers that were sold a bil of goods and a ranting and raving with there dissatisfaction

 

Tabby you have got a lot to learn about dogs.
Hank

I probably should not of said that, but 2 different forums? If I had a problem with a person I would go talk to them. The breeder you are talking about is Jinopo and Hans and they can speak for themselves. But any kind of breeder that does not have a expectation of what a mating will produce should not be breeding to begin with. In my opinion that is just basics stuff. Are they 100% ? No, To many people just breed to what is fashionable at the time, but there are many good breeders who do take it serious

Hank
 

@Hired Dog

Now, may I ask the nature of all these questions you have been asking and their purprose?

I am trying to learn here. Am I, as a cosumer, not allow to ask question?

@desert dog

If I had a problem with a person I would go talk to them.

No, I don't have a problem with them. I google "Czech German Shepherd" and they are at the top of the search list so I looked in them and came here to ask question.


 

"Who is liable here; me, you, or the University? "

well 30 years ago the kid would be blamed for failing their parents and the univesity, 10 years ago both the kid and the parents would blame the university for the childs failure, 5 years ago it would be the governments fault, today it is the government, the parents, the university and societies fault that a kid fails.

hope that helps