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by amysavesjacks on 18 June 2013 - 09:06
Wound is a puncture... not sure if from one of my other dogs or something else (and dog wouldnt even put foot on the ground yesterday). 2nd doctor told me that I could flush the hell out of it twice a day, but Clavamox would be safe. She said "why risk a possible infection that may lead to having to do a minor surgery?".... and, as it stands... it has scabbed over now....so flushing wouldn't even be an option at this point....
So, I gave her the Clavamox staring last night... this morning she is still limping, but weight bearing. Wish me luck.
To MIRASMOM.... this dog you gave Clavamox to... had you bred her to the same stud as previous? or was it her first litter? Did she have any other health issues? What was she on the antibiotic for?
So, I gave her the Clavamox staring last night... this morning she is still limping, but weight bearing. Wish me luck.
To MIRASMOM.... this dog you gave Clavamox to... had you bred her to the same stud as previous? or was it her first litter? Did she have any other health issues? What was she on the antibiotic for?
by Ryanhaus on 18 June 2013 - 10:06
Yes I had bred her to the same stud before, she was Mira's mom, Mira is now 12 1/2.
It wasn't an exact littermate of Mira, but it was her siblings.
Good luck with that, it was like a nightmare for me to witness at 2:00 in the morning,
the pups were born alive with the top of their heads open and one big eye, almost looked like a doll eye,
I will never forget that, yuck:(
It wasn't an exact littermate of Mira, but it was her siblings.
Good luck with that, it was like a nightmare for me to witness at 2:00 in the morning,
the pups were born alive with the top of their heads open and one big eye, almost looked like a doll eye,
I will never forget that, yuck:(
by Ryanhaus on 18 June 2013 - 10:06
oh, my girl was on antibiotics for an infection in her neck.....her and my white GSD had the same exact thing,
the vet couldn't see any punture wounds, the other dog had to get a drain put in his neck, my girls just cleared
up with the Clavamox.
My pregnant bitch was early in her pregnancy......I think I would have rather used Benedryl instead
I suspect they caught something from eating out of the cats litterbox....that's all I could think of cause both were friendly well behaved dogs that didn't fight with each other or any thing else for that matter.
I no longer have a litter box in my house, after that I taught the cat to just go outside, and he's about 14 yrs old now, and he goes outside, love it!
the vet couldn't see any punture wounds, the other dog had to get a drain put in his neck, my girls just cleared
up with the Clavamox.
My pregnant bitch was early in her pregnancy......I think I would have rather used Benedryl instead
I suspect they caught something from eating out of the cats litterbox....that's all I could think of cause both were friendly well behaved dogs that didn't fight with each other or any thing else for that matter.
I no longer have a litter box in my house, after that I taught the cat to just go outside, and he's about 14 yrs old now, and he goes outside, love it!
by gagsd4 on 18 June 2013 - 10:06
I had two born with cleft palates after using antibiotics due to a nasty spider bite. I think the vet prescribed antirobe? That might be incorrect as it has been quite a few years. Vet told me it was relatively safe, but necessary.
I would imagine a lot also has to do with WHEN during pregnancy the drugs are administered. This female had been bred prior (different sire) with a beautiful, healthy litter.
I would imagine a lot also has to do with WHEN during pregnancy the drugs are administered. This female had been bred prior (different sire) with a beautiful, healthy litter.
by Jenni78 on 18 June 2013 - 11:06
Tough call, Amysavesjacks, since you don't even know what it's from. I understand your concern.
Too bad you don't have the option to flush it, though I've opened a puncture that had closed once or twice because they tend to trap bacteria- they swell and close in nastiness (yes, that's the technical term) and you can get hard lumps where the body has just closed off the area of the wound. I'd rather have it open and clean, so I've aspirated a few with good luck. Obviously, I'd only do that if it was swollen but closed, not if it was flat and closed and appeared to be healing correctly.
My Vetericyn experience: This is my TWH's chest, left side. He was run into a lag screw; it punctured him and split him about 8" vertically. It was far too swollen to stitch, and it was a 2" gap in the middle where the flesh had swollen open. It was spilling out of the center. Luckily, I'm not a squeamish person...
Pic taken at about Day 3-4. It was DISGUSTING prior to that. After 2 weeks, not kidding, you couldn't tell it was there. He just shed out for the summer and I was grooming him and went home and thought, hey! I didn't remember to look at his scar and see how it looks. I couldn't believe it; you couldn't tell it had ever been there. Grooming him, I was able to forget all about what had been an 8" gash over 3/3" deep in spots. There is simply nothing there anymore, not even any white hairs like most scars get.
I've used it on other things, too, with the same amazing results.
So, while Bubba calls it expensive water, he seems to miss the fact that many things in chemistry are common compounds slightly altered to form very different chemicals. I have no problem paying $29 per bottle (I use the hydrogel) for results like this. I somehow don't think a spray bottle of water would have made that totally disappear in 2 weeks. Call me a skeptic.
Amysavesjacks, I'm not suggesting you open that puncture and use Vetericyn; I'm just posting this because of Bubba's post.
I hope your girl heals up well and the pups suffer no ill effects from the RX.
Mirasmom, what time of gestation did your bitch have the Clavamox?
Too bad you don't have the option to flush it, though I've opened a puncture that had closed once or twice because they tend to trap bacteria- they swell and close in nastiness (yes, that's the technical term) and you can get hard lumps where the body has just closed off the area of the wound. I'd rather have it open and clean, so I've aspirated a few with good luck. Obviously, I'd only do that if it was swollen but closed, not if it was flat and closed and appeared to be healing correctly.
My Vetericyn experience: This is my TWH's chest, left side. He was run into a lag screw; it punctured him and split him about 8" vertically. It was far too swollen to stitch, and it was a 2" gap in the middle where the flesh had swollen open. It was spilling out of the center. Luckily, I'm not a squeamish person...
Pic taken at about Day 3-4. It was DISGUSTING prior to that. After 2 weeks, not kidding, you couldn't tell it was there. He just shed out for the summer and I was grooming him and went home and thought, hey! I didn't remember to look at his scar and see how it looks. I couldn't believe it; you couldn't tell it had ever been there. Grooming him, I was able to forget all about what had been an 8" gash over 3/3" deep in spots. There is simply nothing there anymore, not even any white hairs like most scars get.
I've used it on other things, too, with the same amazing results.
So, while Bubba calls it expensive water, he seems to miss the fact that many things in chemistry are common compounds slightly altered to form very different chemicals. I have no problem paying $29 per bottle (I use the hydrogel) for results like this. I somehow don't think a spray bottle of water would have made that totally disappear in 2 weeks. Call me a skeptic.
Amysavesjacks, I'm not suggesting you open that puncture and use Vetericyn; I'm just posting this because of Bubba's post.
I hope your girl heals up well and the pups suffer no ill effects from the RX.
Mirasmom, what time of gestation did your bitch have the Clavamox?
by Jenni78 on 18 June 2013 - 11:06
Sorry, I posted too late. I see Paula and gagsd posted about time in gestation.
If it were my dog, and I saw no sign of infection and was fairly sure it wasn't a wild animal or cat or something like that, I would likely skip the drugs. JMO.
If it were my dog, and I saw no sign of infection and was fairly sure it wasn't a wild animal or cat or something like that, I would likely skip the drugs. JMO.
by joanro on 18 June 2013 - 11:06
Mirasmom, the pups you had with the top of the head missing, sounds like anencephaly, which is a neural tube defect. When I worked in labor and delivery as a medic in the Army, I saw two babies born with the deformity. The first I saw was in New Mexico and was still born, mercifully for the parents, had died days before delivery. The second one was in New Jersey, live birth and survived for about three hours after delivery.
It was assumed in the early seventies, that the cause was genetic. However, I believe that now it has been discovered that environmental factors are involved in conjunction with genetic. With so many pups in one litter, I would not doubt that the Clavamox was a key in causing such a rare deformity. The neonates I saw, also had hairlip, cleft palate, spinabifida, and the full term, live birth appeared to be downs syndrome baby with undeterminable gender, and weighed about eleven pounds.
Your experience with the Clavamox is going to be stored in my memory to NEVER use with pregnant bitch or pups.
By the way, the condition develops (or lack of developing) during very early weeks of pregnancy.
It was assumed in the early seventies, that the cause was genetic. However, I believe that now it has been discovered that environmental factors are involved in conjunction with genetic. With so many pups in one litter, I would not doubt that the Clavamox was a key in causing such a rare deformity. The neonates I saw, also had hairlip, cleft palate, spinabifida, and the full term, live birth appeared to be downs syndrome baby with undeterminable gender, and weighed about eleven pounds.
Your experience with the Clavamox is going to be stored in my memory to NEVER use with pregnant bitch or pups.
By the way, the condition develops (or lack of developing) during very early weeks of pregnancy.
by vonissk on 18 June 2013 - 12:06
Good post Joan and it's stored in my memory also.............Jenn I always hear you talking about the V stuff. Where do you get that at? I'm interested in getting some. I know I could search for it, but it's so much easier just to ask. I don't have need for it now but you never know when you'll need something like that. Thanks in advance.
by Ryanhaus on 18 June 2013 - 12:06
I would hate to see a human with that condition, I was going to take a picture of the pups,
but I thought it too unfair that anyone else see it, so glad no one was with me, as many times
the kids have helped deliver the pups.
not meaning to be too creepy, but this is exactly what the eye looked like and it moved around,
just one eye, it happened with
two of the pups out of like eight...
but I thought it too unfair that anyone else see it, so glad no one was with me, as many times
the kids have helped deliver the pups.
not meaning to be too creepy, but this is exactly what the eye looked like and it moved around,
just one eye, it happened with
two of the pups out of like eight...
by Sunsilver on 18 June 2013 - 12:06
My friend's dog was on Baytril throughout her whole pregnancy, due to having had pyometra. All pups were normal, except we lost the last two due to them being in there too long. The biggest pup in the litter got stuck, and held things up for nearly 3 hours.
Same thing with her next pregnancy, though on a cheaper antibiotic. This time there were 10 pups, one of which was euthanized due to a severe cleft palate. Sorry, don't recall what the antibiotic was.
Same thing with her next pregnancy, though on a cheaper antibiotic. This time there were 10 pups, one of which was euthanized due to a severe cleft palate. Sorry, don't recall what the antibiotic was.
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