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It is probable that the dog does not have the genetic history to do well is the sport today.

I don´t want to discuss about your dogs pedigree...

You said that he works better with his sister "around".
Did you raise them together?
In my opinion based on pure assumption your male bonded to his sister not to you.
This often happens when people raise dogs of similar age.
You need to change your whole habit, this means you need to separate them, walk one dog, not two at a time.

Every dog is worth being trained. Time will show how far your journey with your dogs will go.

"When this dog finds himself under stress, as all dogs do at times, he reaches back to his ancestry to get help or relief from the stress. But, as you can see, when this dog reaches back for help from his ancestors...there is nobody there."

Great quote!

"It is probable that the dog does not have the genetic history to do well is the sport today."

That would be an understatement!  

The pedigree alone should tell any educated GSD breeder that this dog is not a breeding candidate. The pedigree is obviously generation after generation of BYB haphazardly bred dogs. No titles, no hip/elbow information, nothing. One or two recognized dogs in the 4th, 5th generations do not redeem a pedigree like this one. This dog could end up with an IPO3, but odds of it ever producing anything worthwhile are very slim.

If you want to breed decent GSD's, why try to re-invent the wheel? Get a well bred dog and go from there. Otherwise you are simply sending more junkyard GSD's out in the world to produce more of the same, just what this breed does NOT need. I won't even get into a debate about  the wisdom of  using whites for breeding.

Susie- No the two were not raised together. However there is a competitve spirit that they both feed off of when they are together. Almost like a sibling rivalry. 

 But, as you can see, when this dog reaches back for help from his ancestors...there is nobody there so that means that reaching back more than four generations is impossible?

I understand that I don't have a trafalgar dog however I was under the impression that temperement, health, and overall well being of the dog is most important. So in conclusion after reading the replies this dog has nothing to offer other than a great pet.

Correct. Dogs in the 4th generation contribute only 12.5% to the current gene pool.

Okay, let´s start at the beginning - a great pet is a lot more than nothing - but it´s not breedworthy.

Though you started training your dogs, you soon will see the differences of character, drives, and "spirit" in different dogs.
Breeding working dogs means taking the best available, sorting out the rest.

The people on this board including me believe in the German Shepherd as working dog, not more, not less.
Titles and breed surveys are tools to test the single dog.
Even a dog out of "winners" might be a looser, but you´ll never know without proof.
The ancestors up to the 3./4. generation of your boy may not have been breedworthy, who knows?
In this case your dog didn´t inherite working abilities.
This does not mean you shouldn´t train your dog, it simply means you shouldn´t breed him.

Back to the topic:
If there is a competative spirit between brother and sister, a good helper will be able to use this for further work.
But at the end every dog has its limit, some sooner, some later.

Lesson in applied genetics:

Here is my female's sire: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=476201

You wil note that nearly EVERY dog in the pedigree is either V or even VA rated. All have at least a Sch. 1, most have a Sch 2 or 3.
 And his father, grandfather AND great-grandfather all all German Siegers, the highest award possible in Germany

Great dog to breed to, right?

He was used only twice for breeding because the owner did not like what he produced. And one of those two breedings was unplanned!

Your dog OTOH, has no titled dogs in his pedigree until you get to Stormfronts Brawnson, 4 generations back. And even THAT breeding show titles on the father only, while the mother's line consists of only pets!

No one in their right mind does this sort of breeding. There are enough dogs out there with really excellent pedigrees that are languishing on death row in shelters. Just take a hop over to the Rescue forum, and you'll see what we are talking about, and why this sort of breeding gets people upset.