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ziegenfarm

by ziegenfarm on 26 September 2012 - 14:09

i agree with hedi.  this behavior was not fixed.  not at all.  the ONLY way to control this behavior is thru obedience.  this handler needs to work this dog in obedience extensively, then work under distraction with the other dogs and proof the dog until the behavior is under control.  the way this video shows, the other dogs were used almost as aggitation.  stupid!  the other dogs should have been sitting, standing or laying down while this handler worked his dog in obedience.  if corrections were necessary they would have been related to the obedience rather than the other dogs.  i wonder how many people will watch this video and try it with their dogs?????eeeccchhhh!  maybe these idiots can team up with cesar milan.  :/
pjp

trixx

by trixx on 26 September 2012 - 16:09

from what i am seeing she is not aggressive either , a bit unsure and if i had to guess no socalizing and with the right person a very easy fix. ( i would never let this dog act like this for a second , where is the control / correction from the owner.)

by vomzellmer on 27 September 2012 - 02:09

I have a dog like this, I call her my ADHD dog.  She is fine if you are constantly paying attention to ger, praising her, making her do something like sit, weave around legs, etc, and feeding her treats constantly, but the moment you take your attention off her she focuses in on other dogs and will start a barking, lunging fit.  I wanted to do agility with her but my instructer got tired of me I think (didnt say it but would constantly be telling me to either pay attention or to get my dogs attention-which fusterated me, because I cant do both!  Keeping my dogs attention required me to keep my focus on my dog) she is not aggressive as far as wanting to bite or fight but everyone thinks she is because her hackles are raised, lots of barking and lunging.  Does anyone have an idea for me with miss ADHD dog?  As long as the treats are coming she is good as gold the minuite they stop shes back at it and corrections with prong collar do little to deter her. 

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 27 September 2012 - 11:09

Vomzellmer, have you tried weaning her OFF treats, gradually, yet ?  If you can start to reduce them while you have got her full attention on you (and no trainer there wanting YOUR attention), a random reduction in the number of times she gets a treat for doing as you ask should begin to string out her expectation so that she waits longer between treats and thus keeps her mind on you to make sure she does not miss any.  You'll need to go slowly at first - maybe missing every third reward,
and build up from there.

OGBS

by OGBS on 27 September 2012 - 23:09

Vomzellmer,
That sounds like a serious lack of socialization as a puppy to me combined with a lower nervebase.
I would get her out around as many people and dogs as possible and try to desensitize this.
The other thing is that it could be some form of leash aggression.
When she was young did you have instances where you didn't feel comfortable with her around other dogs?
You can create what I call the "oh-shit response" in a dog if your thoughts and body language told her that you were fearful of situations with her around other dogs as she was growing up. The dog will take on the role, at way too young of an age, of becoming the protector of you, when it should be the other way around. In these situations the dog sees that you are fearful and then gets aggressive with the other dog. Your dog soon learns that its aggressive nature has power because it makes the other dog go away. Unfortunately in these situations, a young dog's brain is immature and without proper handling and/or training you create a dog that will always become aggressive around other dogs (and usually while on leash).
Does she do this if someone else is handling her, as well?

by vomzellmer on 28 September 2012 - 03:09

OGBS, your right, its probably me.  She has been a barker from the get go and even though I try not to show it I tense up and feel uneasy/embarassed when I see other dogs and Im walking her.  She is just under a year old.  I guess I have to take a class just to address this behaviour.  Im not sure how to act when she does it.  Ill be honest its been making me mad lately, she probably thinks Im mad about the other dog being around :(

edited to add the frequency of treats dosnt really matter, I just have to be paying 100% attention to her and keep her focused.  Its draining.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 28 September 2012 - 10:09

..."the frequency of treats doesn't matter"...  "I just have to keep her focussed, ...its draining".
Yes. Yes.  Been there, got the t-shirt.

The purpose of the graduated reduction of treats is to switch the emphasis around, from you having to
focus 100% on her, to HER having to FOCUS ON YOU.  [Oh, & I suggest very high value treats at first !]

You (& OGBS)  are right:  probably is your body language with the dog that either started this or now
fuels the behaviour,  SO:  work to bring changes.  "She's over a year ... I guess I'll have to take a Class"
is in need of some attitude adjustment IMO.  Sorry to be blunt, but if you put the hard yards in to fix this,
you will end up being ever so relieved in the end !  You will doubtless see other benefits, once your dog
stops 'blowing you off' in this, she'll also listen better to you in other ways.

wanderer

by wanderer on 29 September 2012 - 03:09

I saw first hand in two of my dogs in a very real situation, aggression behavior and fear-aggression behavior. In the first instance, it was my young one year old boy. He was loose in the backyard and I was hosing out his kennel when I heard a very deep and serious barking from him at the back fence. I looked up immediately and he was face-to-face with a black bear on the other side of the fence. He was standing up to it, not looking away, no hair standing up, just telling it to get away, you do not belong here and I'm going to make you LEAVE! (The bear has been living in the ravine on our property all summer.) The other instance, which surprised me, was a few days later when his mother (four years old, four times SchH3, two times HIT and in protection, shows the boys how it's done), she was at the back fence and sensed the bear nearby. All the hair on her back was standing up and her tail was straight out, but her barking was such as I've never heard before, sort of a strangled wooffing like she hardly dared to do it but felt she must try. That was fear-aggression. And that is a female that takes over the protection field in full confidence, and yet, when it got real with the bear, she was not sure of herself, but give her credit, she still stood her ground.





 


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