BSZS HGH results now up! - Page 2

Don't know if any dog has gone V1 in the HGH class at the Sieger Show and also won the BLH trial - I suppose it's possible.

Dogs with HGH degrees but no Schutzhund degrees can compete in the regular Sieger Show adult classes.  I don't believe there is a formal requirement for them to have Schutzhund degrees to be selected for VA, but Karl Fuller had a Kirschental bitch that went high V in the 1980s, and the judge (Herman Martin) said he'd have put her VA if she had a Schutzhund degree, which was obtained and the bitch did in fact finish VA the following year.  So maybe it's more of a policy than a rule.  In any event, I personally find such a policy stupid beyond belief - every year there are a bunch of alleged Schutzhund III showline dogs that barely scuffle through the courage test with pathetic displays of biting, yet a dog that has earned a real performance working degree in an area that demands the dog be healthy, fit and brave has to do more?  I might buy that if it weren't so clear that so many of the Sieger Show dogs earned their Schutzhund titles in the middle of the night with a nod, a wink and maybe even a stuffed envelope passing hands...

Kirschental has done well in both arenas.  I would say that the competitive herding successes happened more often early in the kennel's existence, with show success pretty much throughout.  

And yes, in theory a young dog could do well in the HGH conformation classes and not ever end up working sheep or earning an HGH degree.  But I'm guessing a shepherd doesn't get to pull that too often before he's told he's no longer welcome to compete.

Donald Deluxe..Good morning!  Thank you again for the information and clarification!  You also make an excellent point regarding VA status.

In regard to Kirschental, I know I heard that these bloodlines were classic herding bloodlines. But, when I looked up the kennel and recent dogs from there the dogs look like show dogs to me....For some reason, I pictured herding dogs looking more old-style as you wouldn't think their form would change much if their function remained consistent.

But, I don't know anything....

For those that don't know.... Karl and Marion Fuller of Kirschental kennel have been breeding since at least 1955 maybe even before then... They have made a huge name with unpresidented success in true working herding dogs that work sheep everyday, as well as have V and VA conformation. Their goals have been obvious and have remained the same through the years - keep work and correct conformation together for the best most well balanced dogs. Their high honors are too many to list!!! But they have had much success in virtually ALL of Germany's top competitions over the years. Even though "form" in the breed has changed a bit since they started out, believe me the function has always remained their highest priority. Long before there were "working" and "show" lines they stood out as THE place to go for the best German Shepherds for work, with excellent conformation to boot. Their kennel name is part of this fantastic breed's foundation, not ONLY in conformation but WORK as well!! Check your dog's background! Chances are you will find their honored name behind even your modern day dog, whether it be working lines or show lines!!Their successes have been consistant down through the years and most certainly have NOT been limited to their beginning.  No one else has achieved what they have! They stand to this day as living proof that form and function belong together and are still together today. For 56 years, when others divided and went to 2 seperate extreems (work or conformation) THEY have remained true to the correct goals and have, almost single handedly, kept the German Shepherd dog as it was ment to be. It is with GREAT saddness that I see the end of an era. It is my true hope that their son will carry this same legacy on and never let it truely end. My hat is off and my knee is bowed to you Karl and Marion! YOU have done IT and remained true! I hope your days will be full of the fond memories of your legacy and when you cross the bridge your entire "pack" is there to greet you and once again play, love and be loved, as you did when you were young!
Respectfully
Debby Melle

Kirschental kennels is one of the great kennels in German history as are Karl and Marion as breeders. I remember the Kirchental dogs in the days of Xitta and I have trained with Kirchental dogs( sired by Rikor) of more recent times. I will just say that there is a big difference in the look and working ability of the two periods. Nonetheless, this is a very influential kennel in the history of the breed.

Well said djc and Gustav,

Way,way back when I was falling in love with German Shepherds,
there were many fantastic dogs .This was in the days of Uran , Quando and others.
I fell head over heels for ,"EIKO vom KIRSCHENTAL" The sieger.
Eiko had the looks ,the structure and the glamour.
And he came from a kennel known for It's working dogs.

I have inserted the BSZS list for 2011.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/showresults/2011.html 

Still waiting for the BSP list..


Oli