Frei, Enno, Drigon, ???? - Page 2

  Koach:

As I explained in your pm, I bred Gator to my BUSECKERScholss line and if you will go to the Gators Family on his pedigree...he was bred to ZU and to her daughter which is AZesch and produced the  DAX boy you see in the pictue with Zu's OFA EXCEL hipped daughter  COLA>

COLA and DAX belonged to my best friend who just purchased this last week end this little boy
Cuzko from MelloDEE at Germelhaus with  TOM in the back 3rd generation..GOT to keep a working line dog on all our properties. MYah is her female out of Larry Vinzants two Iska and Lago...so you see....you just keep finding the best strong working lines and keep them going in your  reach.

My two have been gone for 5 yrs now but   Gator was also bred to one more Zu  daughter Bali, who produced Austin one of my most powerful males who produced me some very great sport dogs.

Click on the pedigrees of each one that Gator was a part of and you see , with my trainers, how I used him to enhance heavy working lines I already had.

I got an email from Greg so he will be talking to you.

YR

  Koach:

Since I ended up with same post twice I will use this one to post Cuzko's pic and pedigree
His pic is  sideways..

http://www.germelhaus.com/C%20litter%20pedigree%205-23-11.htm

Picture will not load  says invalid so on Germelhaus.com is Cuzkos picture but he is now 13 weeks old.

  KoacH: If you look at the pedigree of Azesh, on Gators family ,  you will see on the sire Moore's Konig,     that    DRIGON is Donna zur Steinbock Bergs grandsire on her Dams side. Donna being Sie's dam , Konigs mom..

This is why Konig was so powerful I had to put him on consignment with Harris CO SO. where he disappeared by theft.  He was so great he got stolen from me and sold to someone , on the eastern USA coast.

Gator being bred to Bali, a Konig daughter also, produced amazing strength in Austin , with drives so high, and  calm , he was more than a powerhouse. His ability to reason was amazing and he is Abby's Dad , who I have still alive.

So the lines keep producing the power of hard, calm and inteligence unfounded.

Health was amazing on all my dogs. Vets call me to see if I am still alive , as they do not ever see my "kids.''

YR

This is some exciting stuff to me. Bringing back some old lines like this is very very interesting.

Cuzko pedigree


Has Tom vand't Leedaalhof  on dams side as was discussed on another thread and has my Dieters sire on bottom also   Pirol V Enclavehof

http://www.germelhaus.com/C%20litter%20pedigree%205-23-11.htm 

Koach:

ON Gators pedigree look at  Dax pedigree whose dam is Azesch a Moore's Konig daughter. These are under   sub heading   Gators Family...Cola was my Zu's girl with ofa Excellent hips bred from Konigs sire after Konig was stolen from Harris Co So. while in the care of their trainer.,  so she also had Drigon in her 3rd generation.

Drigon is  Konigs Dam SIE's grand sire thru Donna zur Steinbock Burg.. SO we stacked the deck on Drigon and that is why I had such supberb hard drives in Konig and his offsprings when his and ZU's girls were bred to GATOR.

Health was also supberb and calm and intelligence was the highest I have ever seen. Many of my owners of my dogs have written letters of these traits along with the strong structure these workinglines produced with beauty also.

Gator was bred to Bali another ZU x Konig daughter who produce Ausin a great hard male who is the sire of Abby who I have now.  Abby produces the same as Doppeldehaus in Dallas has a son of hers with Laredo who is carrying on the wonderful hard drives and intelligence and has GOOD hips also.

SO these lines , older in time , are still pulling from those dogs , regardless of who they are bred to.


YR

YRT,

What a wealth of information you provide. I'd have a million questions on other GSD related questions to ask you but I don't want to highjack my own thread. Looking at those pedigrees you referred to it's amazing how some of the good/hard dogs of those days had V rated parents/ancestry. 

Out of curiosity a 6 generation pedigree search on the brothers Bomber/Bandit, who of course show Tom , also show, further back, Enno's son Drigon.

I also noticed looking further back that some of dogs from Teikerhook (maybe others also) showed KNPV dogs. I wonder if the SV would allow this to happen today if the dogs used were not already in the SV studbook? 

Many thanks to all for your interest.

A quick look at the 6 generation pedigree of Ludbeck von der Mahler-Meister, the famous KNPV dog show Fero through Timmy and both Enno and Drigon on different occasions. Smaller world than I thought.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=627896&p=6-generation-pedigree

Yes, Koach, when I mentioned to Donnerstorm to go study my pedigrees, I did it with just the same furber that Larry Filo did me...HE said  , go count the V dogs in your pedigrees both on ZU and Konig.... I did and I started then noticing the old hard dogs had V ratings long time ago...

This is why is it important to study pedigrees and to ask questons of the older GERMAN and long time men/women in this DOG world..THey hold a wealth of info they can teach all of us.. WE are never too old to learn.

I am retired but I love to read all I can about someones lines and I know very little compared to the great  long time men like Larry FIlo, Greg Mominee, Adrian Ledda and Gustav and many here on our base , that I do not even know personally.. MANY of the trainers, competitors have names on here and are very experienced at working many of these dogs back to the 80's and the 70's, but I can only mention the ones I know personally.  Others can bring forth  many who can fill in the blanks about all these dogs like Frei, enno , Drigon and many others,,,even the Klammle lines and so many more who lent structure with work..

Yr

Thanks YT and all the others for your participation in this thread. I'm a little disapointed as I thought that more people would be interested in some of these older dogs that had it all from conformation to hardness. Something we don't see too much of today. 

Long live the Frei blloodlines.!

I thought I read somewhere that Frei (I think) had a cross....dutch or mal?  I have to try and find the article again.  In the early 90's I did have a dog off this line.  Very civil, just out right mean. 

Here's Frei's 6 generation pedigree. 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1250&p=6-generation-pedigree

Where do you think the Mali or Dutch fits in?

G.