Help me understand this please... - Page 2

    All Schutzhund titles are not created equal ?.....

    In the Quarter Horse world there is the American Quarter Horse Congress. It is inarguably the most prestigious show in the Quarter Horse world in the US....Is there a show that stands above the rest in obtaining working titles for dogs?....Where the cream of the crop obtain their titles...

   Did you mean that at some point the Nass and the WDA Siegers compete at a show against each other?

RLHAR wrote:
"...WDA (as I understand it) bills itself for a wider range of working dogs (GSD, Dob, Rott, Mal, GR Schnzr)"

Um, no, you're thinking of AWDF--the American Working Dog Federation, which is a collection of breed-specific working dog clubs.  The WDA is officially titled the GSDCA-WDA, and IIRC was created by the GSDCA in response to the SV's directing GSDCA to start following the same breed standard and requirements as the SV, lest it lose it's 'most favored non-member' voting status.

 IIRC stands for what ?

 Hexe, if you are knowledgeable about the topic would you answer my questions above your last post....Thanks...: )

Ah, thank you Hexe for the clarification.   I'm not a member of WDA so never looked overly closely at how they billed themselves.

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Actually this is getting too deep into the politics which is rather beyond my scope so I'm going to bow out. ;)

Ruger1, SchH titles are not all created equal. Some dogs can barely pass at club level. Then they wash out in the Regionals. A dog that DOES pass the Regionals gets to go to the Nationals, where again, it has to be even better at SchH than the other high scorers. In theory each level's title is scored the same as a club title, but when you're up against the cream of the crop, the tiny flaws become obvious and so it's harder to pass. If you score REALLY well in the nationals, you might get to represent your country at the world level.

So...a person who boasts about her/his dog's Sch III really has to tell you what score (it's a wide margin from 220 pts to 300 pts) and at what level. That said, it's an accomplishment and a HALF. It's just not as big a Major Stallion Top Competition Stud Dog deal as some would make club titles out to be. You have to ask questions. Better yet, you have to be there. What owner of a nice bitch wants to get the second best stud dog? Not me. I rarely (OK never) breed a bitch more than once, so I need a REALLY good male.

And that's just SchH. Other sports have setups much the same...it's just harder the higher up you advance. It's not about just getting titles but beating others out. Bloodthirsty, egotistic, competitive crew that we are...

    RLHAR...Sorry to bombard you...You were a great help...Thanks...: )

    VM, you are a doll for explaining all this stuff....It is very complicated....IMO

       Club, Regionals, and Nationals, World Level....Ok

       Receiving a Sch title with 220 points at a National level, would be more impressive then a 300 at a Club level ?.....
       What percentage of the dogs are show lines at Regional and National level shows ?...Just curious...

" Receiving a Sch title with 220 points at a National level, would be more impressive then a 300 at a Club level ?....."

Oh god yes. Heck, I'm impressed with one of my own puppies for making it to the nationals and failing! However, it's worth noting that a club dog has to get at least 270 in a Regional trial to go to the Nationals, or anyway that was the score requirement when I was doing SchH (and I sure as heck never went!!).

And the answer to the final question is, Not very many.

"IIRC"= 'If I recall correctly'

Ruger, trust me when I say I'm not very knowledgable on the subject of the conformation shows, or even the rules of either organization--I just know that the WDA is a GSD-specific organization, although I believe that like USCA, any breed can be entered in the working trials...just not in the conformation events.  I don't belong to either group, but perhaps you might find info that answers some part of your questions on the GSDCA-WDA website, as it appears they've got their regulations and rules posted there:

http://www.gsdca-wda.org/wda_new/REGULATIONS.html

USCA's rules appear to also be available on their site (but I don't have the patience to wait for an 11 MB file to download on a dial-up connection, which is all that's available here in the Hobbit hole):

http://germanshepherddog.com/members/rules.htm

      Hexe...   Thanks, I will look over those sites....: )

      VM, Is there a way of knowing by looking at a pedigree where a dog received his Sch title from ?...

 "VM, Is there a way of knowing by looking at a pedigree where a dog received his Sch title from ?..."

The back page of an SV pedigree contains a section entitled "Prufungen" where scores are reported and signed off by the trial judge.  AKC pedigrees don't.  Not sure about USA pedigrees.