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Isachev- I have spoken with her about her dogs and most people that have them are very positive- I like her Caleb.
Her last email to me indicated that she thought her dogs would be too much hell raisers to fit in with my SLs.

Good luck to you, Richard! I do hope that you are getting the puppy you have been looking for and beware of people who just want to make a sale! Like I already told you previously, it is a serious commitment to add a workingline puppy to a family who is not used to what they can be. You should always go and look at that puppy first and not buy sight unseen!
And a responsible breeder will always tell you if a puppy is suitable or not!
Best regards to you!

Thank you Chris- I think I know the type of dog I want- certainly not a overthe top drive dog- I have spoken to many people who have wls in a pack as I would without issues- I am not concerned and certainly the breeders I have spoken too- I have made this more than clear.
I still believe Mr. fluffy would have fit over time.

Sorry Richard, I have to disagree. Mr. Fluffy is now in Louisiana under the guidance of somebody who is in the USA SchH3 club and even he said that he is not a puppy for everyone. Tough and "a taste for blood" was the quote, lol. See if a puppy like that is misunderstood, he might end up in the pound and we all know what they will do there for "aggressive" dogs. His sister Xtreme will leave for Idaho as soon as the heat wave brakes, also to a working home (another person from the SchH3 club).
But if you do not find anything, you are more than welcome to come out when I have my next Marin-litter early next year to evaluate each one of them if there is a suitable one, but that is a big if. It must be the linebreeding on Cliff Moehnequelle that brings this kind of temperament. Unless, there is a health problem (which I do not foresee) I will definitely breed to Marin zur Krombach again.
Maybe, you have more luck with Czech dogs. I think I mentioned that to you already and that you might want to contact Hans in Arizona, Prager here on the board.

Hans is in Europe- his mother died. Krombach has a litter now. Dennis put me on to Kraft who has a litter from Marin but they never responded

I am so sorry for Hans. It is tough when you parents are in Europe and you live so far away. I know that feeling all to well.

I am glad that Dennis finally answered you but I do not know who Kraft is? Somebody in Germany?
Anyway, Marin's breeder has a litter right now as well with two solid black males. You might want to check with them, not by Marin though.
http://www.zurkrombach.de
Otherwise, if you want a Marin offspring you can check his page at the working-dog eu site: http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/897934/Marin-zur-Krombach  . There is a breeding announcement on there from June 3 (a German breeder).  It is an interesting combination as the dam carries blood from East Germany (Sven Graefental).
But again, if my litter is indicative to what Marin produces you better be prepared.

Dennis is not responding to the two emails I sent him in the last two weeks- he put me in touch with kraft to no avail. I emailed Krombach twice  translated - they were advertsing on the PDB.   So no luck with Dennis.

More litter announcements from Germany:
http://www.leistungshundeforum.de/index.php?page=Board&boardID=14
The Leon Staatsmacht breeding sounds interesting.

But you might need a mediator or broker you can trust.
I can recommend Frank Terhorst (Terry). He speaks excellent English and is a top competitor as well. Plus, he has a dog broker license which is a serious committment in Germany. Maybe, you can write to him what you are looking for and he will find it. He will respond if you tell him that I referred you. Joe and I have known Frank for almost 20 years now.
http://www.vomargatos.de

Edited to add: Charlie Starr in Kentucky just had a nice workingline litter as well. Even though he has no photos on the homepage, I saw some nice ones on Facebook.
http://new.drachefeld.com/litters.php
He bred to Nick del Lupo Nero, a dog I have had my eyes on as well. I had intentions to breed to his full brother Pike del Lupo Nero in Germany but I think I will look at Nick instead next year or so.

I would check out TIMBERHAUS KENNELS in Washington state..Jill has some awesome dogs and she is an exellent breeder and
an honest person..
Mike

Richard, you seem to be missing what Chris is saying, or the spirit in which she's saying it. She's not saying you CAN'T have 3 GSDs. She is saying that the puppy she had, as well as MANY MANY working lines, is not going to simply become a 3rd "pack member" (I still can hardly type that without gagging), mesh with your two showline dogs, and live happily ever after without incident. As I tried to explain over the phone and via email, on occasion, you get a pup who could fill that role and you *might* live happily ever after w/your 3 dogs, HOWEVER, more often than not, it's not how it happens. Very few people fully understand just how much the average person changes the dynamic when you add a 3rd dog. Most people are oblivious to the true essence of the 2 they already had, for that matter,lol...but I digress. If you spend as much time w/your dogs as you say, as I told you, I think you'll be fine with a 3rd dog, IF it's the right dog and you understand exactly what you're doing when you bring a 3rd into the mix. Most people do NOT understand until they see it firsthand.

When most of us say we live w/more than 2, there are typically some extra measures taken, whether it's simply extra vigilance, extra watchfulness, extra attention, or flat out separation. I do the latter. I have 6 GSDs and 2 Pit Bulls, so believe me, I am a believer in more than 2 dogs. I can't imagine only two, so it's not like I'm (or Chris is, or anyone, for that matter) against you getting a 3rd dog. It's just that the RIGHT 3rd dog is not easy to come by and a decent breeder knows where a particular pup should land, and for a breeder to tell you that's not the pup for you, to me, speaks volumes as to their integrity, as in Chris' case.  The more dogs you have, the more critical it is that they fit in well, at least in your situation as you describe it. You are essentially looking for a pet who will hang out with both you and your other dogs. That's great; but probably not as many puppies as you think (of the lineage you're looking in) are going to fit that bill so well without a lot of maintenance, training, work, experience, successful reading of behavior/body language, etc.

I don't care if my dogs like each other. I keep them away from each other if they don't get along. No big deal. From what you told me, this is not an option for you, or more particularly, not something you WANT to do, and that's just fine and understandable. Most people don't want to do that, myself included, but I have no choice due to the type dogs I prefer to keep. The litter I have coming up is a litter I have done before. They are wonderful pups- versatile, intelligent, loyal....and HELLIONS. One gentleman gets up at 4:30am EVERY DAY to work that dog. The female, though dearly loved, has earned herself the nickname "Psycho" due to her activity level when excited or "in drive." The "calm" one of the bunch is by all accounts (some very respected trainers) a lot of dog. Am I saying you can't handle one? NO; I'm saying for THE POSITION YOU WANT FILLED, these are probably not the pups for you. There are plenty of working line litters that will have one or two calmer pups in there that may be your dream dog. I don't know that I won't get one; but I don't know that I will, either, so I feel a little irresponsible telling you that I will have what you want, when I know full well what they produced before is the last thing you want.

And this little tirade of mine is not personal, Richard; I've had a lot of people looking for things I don't have lately and seeming to be in disbelief that I told them I don't have what they want and wouldn't sell them a pup. So, please, understand I'm speaking generally and trying to explain Chris' position a little