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by uvw on 06 June 2011 - 02:06
vixen, in my OPINION, there is no need for a marketed "joint supplement" which can have unnecessary ingredients at top dollar. however, especially when you're feeding kibble/dog food, you should ALWAYS add an omega-3 oil to the diet for joint health, inflammation, arthritis, heart health, organ health, and overall health. omega 3 is best given as a fish oil - salmon, sardine, etc.
as for glucosamine and chondroitin, i personally wouldn't supplement a healthy dog with it, but i don't think it can hurt to add it if you think it's necessary. and i would make sure to use a high quality product, rather than saving a few dollars.
but please make sure to add omega 3's!
as for glucosamine and chondroitin, i personally wouldn't supplement a healthy dog with it, but i don't think it can hurt to add it if you think it's necessary. and i would make sure to use a high quality product, rather than saving a few dollars.
but please make sure to add omega 3's!
by Vixen on 06 June 2011 - 03:06
Once again I add my appreciation of all these views, and equally thank UVW for your thoughts regarding Omega 3 oils (which I agree are excellent and do include). May I also however just clarify to the last comment from Hexe, as not sure if you may have thought I was referring to a puppy..... the female in question is an adult. My puppies are always carefully monitored in their movement. Nothing too strenuous on their growing bodies. Hence my concern with the adult girl after a jump that was not high and should not have provided a problem for her, which therefore alerted me to have her checked.
The boy in question is naturally a large built lad. Nothing over-weight about him, he is right for his size. They are all fit, as exercise is something we all greatly enjoy together. As some of you know I do not use food in training, (as Steve1 mentioned) so no need for them to be kept a little hungry for training - they are hungry for training, but not in the sense of physical - LOL
Hope this clarifies that I am not referring to puppies. But probably the comment was based on the need for general care and attention of a puppies growth. Building them gradually in good wholesome exercise, rather than manic racing and spinning that could strain or tear their growing bodies.
Regards,
Vixen
The boy in question is naturally a large built lad. Nothing over-weight about him, he is right for his size. They are all fit, as exercise is something we all greatly enjoy together. As some of you know I do not use food in training, (as Steve1 mentioned) so no need for them to be kept a little hungry for training - they are hungry for training, but not in the sense of physical - LOL
Hope this clarifies that I am not referring to puppies. But probably the comment was based on the need for general care and attention of a puppies growth. Building them gradually in good wholesome exercise, rather than manic racing and spinning that could strain or tear their growing bodies.
Regards,
Vixen
by steve1 on 06 June 2011 - 04:06
uvw
For interest, what are the scores of your Dogs when you had the hips and elbows certified
Steve1
by uvw on 06 June 2011 - 14:06
steve, i don't breed, so i don't waste my money on hip and elbow certifications. i would rather buy my dogs some fancy meat. i'm not interested in making money just because my dog has a set of balls. i'm more interested in health, wellbeing, and nutrition...and helping people understand the things that the pet industry obscures.
i have, however, helped a few people help their old, tired, arthritic dogs, dogs with hip issues, hip replacements, broken bones, medical conditions, pancreatitis, kidney issues and renal failures, etc. but that's all off topic.
i have, however, helped a few people help their old, tired, arthritic dogs, dogs with hip issues, hip replacements, broken bones, medical conditions, pancreatitis, kidney issues and renal failures, etc. but that's all off topic.
by steve1 on 06 June 2011 - 15:06
So you cannot really comment on Joint supplements when you do not get the Joints tested of your Dogs and it makes no difference if you are breeding or not with them
How come i get the Dogs joints certified and i have never bred a litter of Pups in 60 years of keeping dogs, i do it as a matter of course so i know how they are simply okay or not, however all the pups i have bought on from 8 weeks old and tested were a1normal and i also give them a joint supplement so i can safely say it does help, not the be all and end all but it helps
Steve1
How come i get the Dogs joints certified and i have never bred a litter of Pups in 60 years of keeping dogs, i do it as a matter of course so i know how they are simply okay or not, however all the pups i have bought on from 8 weeks old and tested were a1normal and i also give them a joint supplement so i can safely say it does help, not the be all and end all but it helps
Steve1
by uvw on 06 June 2011 - 16:06
hey steve, why is it that you always seek me out to start with your nonsense? what is your infatuation?
i don't need to pay for an x-ray, for some guy in a white lab coat to tell me the dogs joints are fine. when a dog walks on 3 legs because the fourth was smashed, and you add omega 3's, and the dog starts walking on 4 legs, i think that's proof enough.
when someone posts on this forum that their dog is old and doesn't move around much anymore due to arthritis and joint supplements aren't helping, and someone recommends adding salmon oil, and the dog is up and moving around, i think that's proof enough.
why don't you play games with ronin for his comment above, that the best results he's seen had to do with salmon (meaning omega 3)? it must just be my imagination. actually ronin and i must share one imagination.
i don't need to pay for an x-ray, for some guy in a white lab coat to tell me the dogs joints are fine. when a dog walks on 3 legs because the fourth was smashed, and you add omega 3's, and the dog starts walking on 4 legs, i think that's proof enough.
when someone posts on this forum that their dog is old and doesn't move around much anymore due to arthritis and joint supplements aren't helping, and someone recommends adding salmon oil, and the dog is up and moving around, i think that's proof enough.
why don't you play games with ronin for his comment above, that the best results he's seen had to do with salmon (meaning omega 3)? it must just be my imagination. actually ronin and i must share one imagination.
by uvw on 06 June 2011 - 16:06
in 60 years of keeping dogs, if you've ALWAYS given a joint supplement as you say, then you have nothing to compare it to (meaning dogs not given joint supplements).....so you CAN'T actually say that it does help.
if you hadn't given them ALL the joint supplements, you may have found the absolute same results. if, on the other hand, you had a dog with joint issues (god forbid anyone admits to ever having dogs with problems), and you gave a joint supplement, and that dogs issues resolved themselves, then you can say it does help.
in the mean time, quit trying to "school" me because your 60 years really means nothing to me. even when i write "my OPINION" for the mentally impaired who get offended by everything, you still bother me. holy hell man, find something to occupy yourself with.
lol
if you hadn't given them ALL the joint supplements, you may have found the absolute same results. if, on the other hand, you had a dog with joint issues (god forbid anyone admits to ever having dogs with problems), and you gave a joint supplement, and that dogs issues resolved themselves, then you can say it does help.
in the mean time, quit trying to "school" me because your 60 years really means nothing to me. even when i write "my OPINION" for the mentally impaired who get offended by everything, you still bother me. holy hell man, find something to occupy yourself with.
lol
by Vixen on 06 June 2011 - 16:06
Apologies for 'butting in', (feel a sense of involvement due to starting this Thread). Surely anyone who owns and cares about all aspects of a dog's well-being, will be doing what they have perceived from their personal experience to be the best, in the care of their animals, and obviously this will vary, but each will be doing their conceived best.
Collating information personally, plus professional guidance, and awareness of experiences from other Owners, helps individuals broaden their minds, change their minds, or stick to their original ideas. (For example, the Pro's and Con's for neutering, needs to be something that the Owner thinks carefully about, and come to a conclusion that they feel is right).
When we feel confident in a chosen path with dogs, that is great and fulfilling, and enables us to share aspects with others. Equally when we need further information to conclude our own thoughts, feelings and input, it is helpful and appreciated to hear the personal experiences from a variety of sources.
Vixen
Collating information personally, plus professional guidance, and awareness of experiences from other Owners, helps individuals broaden their minds, change their minds, or stick to their original ideas. (For example, the Pro's and Con's for neutering, needs to be something that the Owner thinks carefully about, and come to a conclusion that they feel is right).
When we feel confident in a chosen path with dogs, that is great and fulfilling, and enables us to share aspects with others. Equally when we need further information to conclude our own thoughts, feelings and input, it is helpful and appreciated to hear the personal experiences from a variety of sources.
Vixen
by steve1 on 06 June 2011 - 16:06
uvw
I have noticed time and time again some of you do not like being picked up on anything and you bluff your way out of it with stupid remarks like occupy yourself with something
If i see a stupid comment like yours of which you cannot possibly back up seeing you do not get your dogs joints tested anyway so you have no idea as to how they are unless you have x-ray eyes,
However i reply to such posts as yours because they need replying to and it shows how little you really know about dogs in general, I said i have kept dogs 60 years.
i did not say i gave them Joint supllements for 60 years, and as i said little do you know because Joint supplements were NOT on the market 60 years ago
So do not get your Knickers in a twist it could be uncomfortable, so now rant on to yourself i have said what i have to and you by your manner in answering it has hit a raw spot. 'Tough'
Steve1
I have noticed time and time again some of you do not like being picked up on anything and you bluff your way out of it with stupid remarks like occupy yourself with something
If i see a stupid comment like yours of which you cannot possibly back up seeing you do not get your dogs joints tested anyway so you have no idea as to how they are unless you have x-ray eyes,
However i reply to such posts as yours because they need replying to and it shows how little you really know about dogs in general, I said i have kept dogs 60 years.
i did not say i gave them Joint supllements for 60 years, and as i said little do you know because Joint supplements were NOT on the market 60 years ago
So do not get your Knickers in a twist it could be uncomfortable, so now rant on to yourself i have said what i have to and you by your manner in answering it has hit a raw spot. 'Tough'
Steve1
by uvw on 06 June 2011 - 17:06
what you need to notice is that time and time again you twist your stories, and tell people how you're the know-all, end-all, be-all....60 years, 60 years, 60 years........
"however all the pups i have bought on from 8 weeks old and tested were a1normal and i also give them a joint supplement"
and the last time you were busting balls you asked if i would like to fly over the puddle and meet you face to face to "work it out" and you were going to "show me", lol.
yet after all of your comments, i always get a few pm's telling me what a prick you are and not to pay attention. it seems many people have your number, but you're still unaware. sometimes you just have to let someone know to save the rest of humanity.
just like all the ball busting about feeding raw, and how your 60 years of kibble feeding is superior, blah blah blah. and every time i posted about raw feeding, there you were....60 years, 60 years, 60 years. and now what are you doing? feeding raw. and at some point you will do something wrong, but you will refuse to ask anyone for help because you know more than everyone on the face of the earth, and you WILL do something wrong, and all you'll do is write it off as feeding raw is a problem and that's why people should feed kibble like you....for 60 years.
laughing my ass off, and waiting for more pm's from people that are smart enough not to deal with or respond to you.
"however all the pups i have bought on from 8 weeks old and tested were a1normal and i also give them a joint supplement"
and the last time you were busting balls you asked if i would like to fly over the puddle and meet you face to face to "work it out" and you were going to "show me", lol.
yet after all of your comments, i always get a few pm's telling me what a prick you are and not to pay attention. it seems many people have your number, but you're still unaware. sometimes you just have to let someone know to save the rest of humanity.
just like all the ball busting about feeding raw, and how your 60 years of kibble feeding is superior, blah blah blah. and every time i posted about raw feeding, there you were....60 years, 60 years, 60 years. and now what are you doing? feeding raw. and at some point you will do something wrong, but you will refuse to ask anyone for help because you know more than everyone on the face of the earth, and you WILL do something wrong, and all you'll do is write it off as feeding raw is a problem and that's why people should feed kibble like you....for 60 years.
laughing my ass off, and waiting for more pm's from people that are smart enough not to deal with or respond to you.
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