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by Videx on 13 March 2011 - 11:03
Crufts: The GSD - a very relevant perspective.
One needs to compare the GSD exhibited at Crufts with previous Crufts with the very few exceptions when the Crufts GSD Judge was a top GSD specialist judge, such as Terry Hannon.
It is also necessary to remember the vast majority of outstanding GSD Champions and Championship Show winners with numerous wins gained under TOP GSD Specialist Judges, including German SV Judges.were not entered at Crufts 2011.
It is only when you consider these two very relevant and important points above that you have the Crufts 2011 entry and results in any kind of reasonable perspective.
If anyone has any doubts or any disagreement with what I have written here, I suggest they look carefully at the actual entries and results of the major GSD Shows and Events held during the rest of 2011. Then you will have my comments here emphatically substantiated.
One needs to compare the GSD exhibited at Crufts with previous Crufts with the very few exceptions when the Crufts GSD Judge was a top GSD specialist judge, such as Terry Hannon.
It is also necessary to remember the vast majority of outstanding GSD Champions and Championship Show winners with numerous wins gained under TOP GSD Specialist Judges, including German SV Judges.were not entered at Crufts 2011.
It is only when you consider these two very relevant and important points above that you have the Crufts 2011 entry and results in any kind of reasonable perspective.
If anyone has any doubts or any disagreement with what I have written here, I suggest they look carefully at the actual entries and results of the major GSD Shows and Events held during the rest of 2011. Then you will have my comments here emphatically substantiated.
by Abby Normal on 13 March 2011 - 13:03
I wasn't there, but had several friends who were. Some competing and some just visiting. I asked both to check out the shepherds, and the report from both was that they thought the dogs were improved over recent years. Meaning less extreme. I have also had a look at some of the dogs, and was pleased to see that myself.
Yes, Pinarello, there is only one breed standard, but the interpretation of that standard varies hugely, and each interpreter of the standard claims theirs is right, even when it blatantly is not!
The standard is 'interpreted' to fit the dog rather than the dog actualy meeting the correct standard. It has been identified by pretty much everyone in the breed, including the SV, that there have been problems that need to be addressed, and the only way to do that is to reduce the extremes. Therefore, if that is being done I believe that we should expect to see a transition in 'type' for some time to come. It does not mean that they do not fit the breed standard.
If nothing changes then none of those issues are being addressed.
Yes, Pinarello, there is only one breed standard, but the interpretation of that standard varies hugely, and each interpreter of the standard claims theirs is right, even when it blatantly is not!
The standard is 'interpreted' to fit the dog rather than the dog actualy meeting the correct standard. It has been identified by pretty much everyone in the breed, including the SV, that there have been problems that need to be addressed, and the only way to do that is to reduce the extremes. Therefore, if that is being done I believe that we should expect to see a transition in 'type' for some time to come. It does not mean that they do not fit the breed standard.
If nothing changes then none of those issues are being addressed.
by Sunsilver on 13 March 2011 - 14:03
Well said, Abby, and very true! Extreme 'fads' in conformation can be the death of any breed.
by Videx on 13 March 2011 - 15:03
I tend to qualify very critically comments about the GSD in the Show-ring. The need for this is driven by the simple fact that everyone has an opinion, however some opinions are significantly more relevant and some GSD Shows provide significantly more relevance to those opinions. I am also fortunate enough to hear opinions from some of the very best within our breed. There is also considerable consistency amongst the best aficionados of our breed. So I suppose it depends on whom you mix with and at what level your involvement and your experience is that determines your point of view. I am more than satisfied with mine.
by Abby Normal on 14 March 2011 - 00:03
Certainly consistency is being maintained by some breeders, but is this 'consistency' just 'more of the same'. How does that address conformation issues or genetic bottlenecking?
I know there are some very interesting breedings taking place by more progressive breeders who really do want to improve overangulation etc, and there will certainly be a transitional period of type for those who are taking that path.
by Videx on 14 March 2011 - 00:03
Your very limited knowledge of our GSD breed at National and International levels shines through! As expected.
by Doppelganger on 14 March 2011 - 01:03
Don't worry Abby they'll catch on eventually, just hope its not too late and they are not left in a small minority like the other extreme have become.
by Videx on 14 March 2011 - 09:03
another obviously inexperienced and uninformed opinion. I suppose when such people agree with each other they convince themselves that their opinion is widespread. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. You really should self appraise your own experience and also closely examine the experience of others. You would see huge differences, which you may then begin to understand your own rather limited knowledge and experience of our breed, which hopefully may then temper your somewhat "child like" comments and assertions an matters which you should be learning rather than attempting to inform.
by Abby Normal on 14 March 2011 - 18:03
Actually I originally agreed with Peter van Oirschot and others whose knowledge and experience trump yours.
Peter was a lovely man who was always more than willing to share his knowledge and views, yet without imposing them on others. I guess he & they didn't/don't know what they were talking about.
It is sad that people have lost sight of genuine knowledge and opinions, offered from an honest perspective and coloured by no agenda, other than that of the genuine benefit of the breed.
Peter was a lovely man who was always more than willing to share his knowledge and views, yet without imposing them on others. I guess he & they didn't/don't know what they were talking about.
It is sad that people have lost sight of genuine knowledge and opinions, offered from an honest perspective and coloured by no agenda, other than that of the genuine benefit of the breed.
by Videx on 15 March 2011 - 08:03
What about your very obvious limited knowledge and experience of the GSD. The "third party" option, is not open to you on this issue. A feeble effort to detract away from your very obvious limited knowledge and experience.
I knew Peter very well for many years. I have his major article on my website "STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES OF THE MODERN GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG" - I am very aware of Peters knowledge and experience, and that of many others both here and around the World.
As I have stated:
The "third party" option, is not open to you Abby Normal (anonymous) on this issue.
I knew Peter very well for many years. I have his major article on my website "STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES OF THE MODERN GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG" - I am very aware of Peters knowledge and experience, and that of many others both here and around the World.
As I have stated:
The "third party" option, is not open to you Abby Normal (anonymous) on this issue.
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