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Pirates Lair

by Pirates Lair on 13 January 2011 - 01:01

A trained PPD (your Friend/Family Member/Partner) should expect support from You/ Handler, it’s called Team Work, builds confidence & drive.

A better video, (I’m sure Am is working on it) would show the Handler actively engaging in the fight with the Decoy/Assailant.

Side by side in the fight together with no fear of the dog turning on the Handler

SportySchGuy

by SportySchGuy on 13 January 2011 - 01:01

Holy crap......I don't think so. Not for PP no way. In PP the handler gets out of harms way then outs and recalls the dog. Your gonna get someone killed PL.  

Your not gonna be telling the dog atta boy in a real attack especially if you are engaging the badguy yourself (which you do not do in PP unless there is no other way out). The dog gives you a way out which is what he is there for. You mean to tell me that if a guy on meth attacks someone they are supposed to tackle the guy after the dog engages? I'm telling you straight man....thats a good way to get the victim killed.  

by frankm205 on 13 January 2011 - 03:01

 I have to agree with sport sch guy. That's why we have PROTECTION dogs so they can protect us.  Send the dog and get out of the picture, let him do his job. The teamwork comes from the sidelines. JMHO

Pirates Lair

by Pirates Lair on 13 January 2011 - 03:01

SSG- or who ever you really are, and what ever Alias you are using today on this Forum or Hans Pragers.
Either post a video of your work or  have another beer with your cat and turn the computer off!

***Your childish ignorant comments are appreciated by Am, due to the fact that it will keep this thread   going and promote his video and Web site....hmmmm

Am, what are you up to? Hiring 3rd World slave work?

Pirates Lair

by Pirates Lair on 13 January 2011 - 03:01

"The teamwork comes from the sidelines"

How does Cheerleading from the sidelines equate to Teamwork?

Please, has anyone commenting so far, even done bite/fight work side by side with their dog?

So...it's you take care of that bad guy while I go for help?

Post a VIDEO of Your Work!!!

Am..you owe me one Bud

Pirates Lair

by Pirates Lair on 13 January 2011 - 04:01

My last post on this Am;

Before commenting on this post;

Post a video of your work or have another beer with your cat and turn the computer off! And....

Provide your Real name, (Cowards not excused) and.....


Learn how to read and write in your  Native Language, or, at least diguise you’re deficiency of education and learn how to use “spell check”

by Jeff Oehlsen on 13 January 2011 - 04:01

 I thought it was a good video. I don't like all the growling, but that is just me. I don't think I would like to get bit by that dog, but that is just me as well. 

I would want to see more control, but that is just me, and I am not a pp guy. Sadly, my first thought was where is the call off ? : )

SportySchGuy

by SportySchGuy on 13 January 2011 - 14:01

Ok, I think I have cooled down enough to read this thread again and respond this morning.

PL, I am now trying to decide if you really believe what you say or if you are just jerking my chain. For the sake of any newbies reading this I very much hope it is the latter. 

I ask everyone reading this question. Does it make sense to train/teach a scenario where the handler is attacked and sends the dog or the dog responds and then the handler jumps in and fights the bad guy with the dog? You don't know if the bad guy has a knife or gun and if they kill the dog then you are next. What if the guy is on meth and the handler is a 120 lb woman? Do you seriously expect them to fight with their dog? Wouldn't the smart thing to be to create distance from the threat and then out and recall the dog? Even if someone is attacked in their own home they should either get out of the house and if that is not possible they need to go to a more secure location within the home and then recall their dog if they can? Always calling the calvary on the phone is a good idea as well if possible. The dog is there to distract the attacker so the handler can get away from the immediate threat. 

As for talking to the dog.....yes you do it in the beginning to build confidence in the dog. At some point in training you expect the dog to be able to fight on his own. The reason for this is because it is highly unlikely you will do this in real situation and if you train like that all the time then the dog is going to wonder WTF? when he doesnt hear it.  Catch my drift? 

Yes you can have a scenario where the handler fights with the dog against the attacker. This would be mostly for PSD or similar. It could be done with PPD but I would not teach a handler that it is something they should do in a real situation except in the most extreme circumstances. So...I would not train for that scenario except to proof that the dog will do it safely. 

I have said before and now for the last time. I will not post any video of my dogs on the internet. My dogs are here for a reason, not to show off or prove anything or sell anything. 

I am done commenting on this thread. Good luck. 


by dutss on 13 January 2011 - 14:01

For a personal protection dog in advanced level of training you should be able to have an invidual  be in  the area with no response of the dog....staying neutral.  Without any change in the demeanor of the bad guy you should be able to turn your dog on whether it is a 270 lb 7ft tall man or an 80 year old lady.   No aggitation or equiptment  needed.

This dog seems to be in the beginning stages of training......this may not be the correct way to train a dog for what they are trying to do.  I am not saying the dog is bad or will not protect its property.
 
Most people who have dogs that will bite WILL NOT post video of their dogs working for liabllity reasons....if they are smart. 

A nice serious dog does need training in the bite work area.....but very soon in the training you are spending more time teaching the dog to bite only when it is acceptable and working control aspects (control being the most important for a serious dog).   Most serious dogs need very little stimulation or video proving they will bite.


by frankm205 on 13 January 2011 - 14:01

 Pirate, We can agree to disagree. Yes I have indeed trained many, many police service dogs, PP dogs and would have been happy to put up a video but my dog died a few weeks ago. I have a new pup but he is only 8 months old and I will be happy to post a video when he is ready. Am I the final word on protection training no not by a long shot. 

I have trained with people from all over the world and have been for 22 years. I have seen bad guys get bit for real on the streets. . They scream and cry like little bitches. Not one single perp was waving his arms to fire up the K9 team or cracking whips .SO please spare me your insults and if you don't agree with something I post you can say so in a professional manner. 

I would like to think we can all post our comments and questions without all the BS.





 


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