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by charlie319 on 29 April 2010 - 13:04
"ALL ABOUT MONEY MAKING BIG BUCKS A LOT OF VETS DO NOT GIVE A STUF ABOUT THE DOG JUST THE BIG BUCKS"
I don't know how this vet does business, but for many working and hunting breed owners, having the same vet take care of their dogs that services the local LEO's is a confidence booster and a great marketing tool for the vet.
Having successfully done surgery on a feral neighborhood cat that was dying from a purulent abcess the size of a tennis ball on its neck, (it adopted me after he recovered) I can understand how shaving helps to keep the wound clean and avoids fur from, getting in the wound, creating an abcess. However, without knowing the cause of the wounds, it is hard to ascertain if the vet engaged in overkill in order to only see the dog a minimum amount of times, or if the treatment was warranted. Assuming the dog is healthy, one has to wonder how much of the vet care given is excessive and margianlly effective..
My vet would run up the bill on my dogs if allowed. Meds are a money maker as they buy them at a discount. Basically, the dogs get the same level of care as I would at a similar physiological age.

by shrabe on 29 April 2010 - 14:04
I took my female in to get a veterinary letter as she broke an incisor and to get her dental notation and breed survey this is one of the things I would need. Now I do NOT take my dogs in for testing every 6 months and all that crap, not necessary IMO, however this is the vet that did all her puppy vacs and so forth. His sole focus during the visit was to sell me on heartworm tests, other vaccinations, and dental cleaning prodedures. I was appalled, and the letter he gave me was not complete, and on the notes section he puts "could use a dental cleaning".
I said all of this to say that I think in a lot of cases what they do is overkill, I don't think this is true in all cases. It is unfortunate that this dog will be down for longer than anticipated, but I will say we have had MANY deep puntires here to ourselves and we never had to have a drain put in. I have done all the fixing and patching and everyone healed just fine....makes you wonder.
Traci

by Sunsilver on 29 April 2010 - 15:04
Also, as was drilled into us in our nursing wound care classes, wounds heal from the bottom up. If the bottom of the wound is dirty and infected, it ain't going to heal. That's why the vet did what he did: open up the wound so he can see how deep it is, flush it out thoroughly, then stitch a drain in place.
Yes, some vets are money-grubbers, but where bite wounds are concerned, it's better safe than sorry. I've seen some extremely nasty human infections develop from bite wounds within 48 hours. All of them were cat bites, because the cat's teeth are so much sharper and narrower than a dog's. All of them needed IV antibiotics.

by charlie319 on 29 April 2010 - 17:04
In my one time veterinary care of a purulent abcess (from hair getting in the wound), I used an X-acto blade, a hypodermic, hydrogen peroxide to debride and clean the closed wound, a little gauze soaked in betadine and antibacterial ointment. Had teh cat not been near death's door, i would have gotten some chlorophorm, but the poor animal had no strength left and given the purulent discharge, I doubt that it felt anything.
f it had been my dog, I'd have been ok with the cleaning of the wound and a coure of antibiotics, but the opening up of the incission may have been a bit extreme, when a less invasive option could have been used in a stepped response. If in a couple of days it showed any evidence of infection, I'd then look at a more invaside/agressive course. I'm just not a fan of putting the animal through more than it has to endure. A pup or elderly, ill or weak dog, would get a different and more agressive course.

by DebiSue on 29 April 2010 - 18:04
GSDfan,
Sounds like the vet did the right thing...better safe than sorry especially with a dog of this caliber. You should be grateful the vet took such pains to treat what could have turned out to be a serious wound had it not been treated properly. The fact that it didn't bleed much is a good indication that it sealed off and would not have drained properly on its own. The dog may look like hell but I see no reason why he can't continue with his education. GSDs are stoic, if he isn't limping or fussing with the wound I say keep training. I say this assuming there is no great physical activity involved in sniffing out explosives. With the wound treated this way he will heal quickly.
And no, I'm not a vet, vet tech etc...just a gal who grew up on a farm and saw lots of different injuries and how they were treated from dog bites to a horse going thru barbed wire.
Cool your jets and chill out about it, as the dog was treated properly. I'm sure you have other things that are more important to spend your energy on.
Deb
by tuffscuffleK9 on 29 April 2010 - 21:04
Puncture wounds seem to to do best if allow to drain. I'm no vet but I've had to, over the years, had to Dr everything from cows to horses to dogs, and yes even hogs. Vets will send you to the poor house if you go to them all the time.
Go to your local feed store and load up on vet supplies. You'll be surprised what they have.

by GSDfan on 29 April 2010 - 22:04
Let me stress this was a minor wound. The dog bit and let go, the dogs were immediately held apart by the handler and the second handler was about 10 feet away so grabbed his dog quickly.
I don't believe the treatment was necessarily wrong or incorrect, but I still believe it was overkill. I've seen many dog bites worse than this heal fine with cleaning and antibiotics. The treatment given I believe would be step #2 if there was any indication it was not healing ok.
My decoy/trainer has recieved many bites worse than this and they never sliced open his arms/legs and put tubes in.
The handler doesn't have experience enough to question or say NO even though he didn't think it sounded right. If I was there, especially if it was my dog, I would have said NO, I will call if there are any problems, and you can do that treatment then.
On a sidenote, the handler said vet seemed very nervous around the dog...even though he wasn't misbehaving I think she labeled him as vicious because she doesn't understand or isn't comfortable with "police dogs". He felt she wanted to knock him out because she was afraid to get near him to look at the wound...I won't comment on that!!
"Better safe than sorry"...I have to disagree here, it would have most likely healed ok from my experience. Now the dog has to wear a friggen cone for 2 weeks and has a larger injury to contend with.
But thanks again for the OP
by malshep on 29 April 2010 - 23:04
Always,
Cee
by AIR on 29 April 2010 - 23:04

by GSDfan on 30 April 2010 - 00:04
It is NOT my vet
Neither was my dog
I had nothing to do with "putting the dogs in that situation"
And it was an honest accident....they do happen!!
Never said I had experience in medicine, I had experience with this type of injury...
this was the first time I'd seen it treated this way, which is why I was asking for opinions!!
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