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by missbeeb on 17 January 2010 - 13:01
Hopefully, we all support what is good and fruitful for our breed.
The GSDP have been doing their utmost to make the "Accredited Breeder" worth something, but our KC are expert at thwarting any advancement! The "accredited breeder" is, at present, pointless and worthless; leaving all health testing as a choice rather than a must!
by Mark3 on 17 January 2010 - 14:01
With the greatest of respect Superdog, I am certainly not trying to undermine the good work that you are doing however, the work that you doing certainly IS being undermined IF the group doesn’t advocate elbow and haemophilia testing despite us all knowing that they are health issues in the GSD. So the question needs to be asked.
You speak about the ABS scheme and thus following guide lines, which at present are optional as far as elbows and eyes are concerned and if you were asked what you think of the schemes you would advise it be in the best interests to support and follow those listed. Incidentally, I spoke to the KC fairly recently about elbows and haemophilia not being mandatory on the ABS following on from a conversation I had with my vet that they are experiencing an increasing worrying trend in elbow problems in the GSD. Anyhow, the KC tell me there is no plans to make them mandatory but in any event, moves to do so would be instigated by the breed health representative holding discussions with the KC. ???????
You speak about the ABS scheme and thus following guide lines, which at present are optional as far as elbows and eyes are concerned and if you were asked what you think of the schemes you would advise it be in the best interests to support and follow those listed. Incidentally, I spoke to the KC fairly recently about elbows and haemophilia not being mandatory on the ABS following on from a conversation I had with my vet that they are experiencing an increasing worrying trend in elbow problems in the GSD. Anyhow, the KC tell me there is no plans to make them mandatory but in any event, moves to do so would be instigated by the breed health representative holding discussions with the KC. ???????
by tigermouse on 17 January 2010 - 15:01
Well I must admit I am extremely disappointed.
We all know th KC accredited breeders scheme is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!
I was an accredited breeder until I realized the scheme has nothing to do with health its just another way to bump up revenue for the KC.
The guidelines are a bloody joke and there are loopholes that we all know about.
That is why I abandoned it until it becomes a Worthy scheme.
"I thought that we were all trying to slowly improve out breed" why slowly when we can do it NOW???
lead by example.
Come on HD ED HAEMOPHILIA is a bear minimum!!!!
If we don't start screening NOW and removing problem lines we will encounter more and more problems further down the line.
I fully support the info group with the research they are doing and have already done,
but what is the point of it when the tests that ARE available (and have been for years) are not being recommended by the group themselves???
I am rather disillusioned with a few people whom I honestly thought were pillars of our breed and in recent months I have herd of some downright irresponsible breeding's. you know who you are and you KNOW BETTER!!!!!
WHAT ARE YOU ALL SO SCARED OF JUST DO THE TESTS AND IMPROVE YOUR LINES. it makes one wonder WHY some of these breeders don't test??? is it because they know they have the problems but bury their head's in the sand or have they not submitted results because they didnt look good enough.
I think DP calls it the ostrich syndrome lol
I agree with what has been said on earlier posts that anyone who truly has the breed at heart would have willingly done the tests and not wait until they were forced to.
I practice what I preach DO YOU???
We all know th KC accredited breeders scheme is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard!!
I was an accredited breeder until I realized the scheme has nothing to do with health its just another way to bump up revenue for the KC.
The guidelines are a bloody joke and there are loopholes that we all know about.
That is why I abandoned it until it becomes a Worthy scheme.
"I thought that we were all trying to slowly improve out breed" why slowly when we can do it NOW???
lead by example.
Come on HD ED HAEMOPHILIA is a bear minimum!!!!
If we don't start screening NOW and removing problem lines we will encounter more and more problems further down the line.
I fully support the info group with the research they are doing and have already done,
but what is the point of it when the tests that ARE available (and have been for years) are not being recommended by the group themselves???
I am rather disillusioned with a few people whom I honestly thought were pillars of our breed and in recent months I have herd of some downright irresponsible breeding's. you know who you are and you KNOW BETTER!!!!!
WHAT ARE YOU ALL SO SCARED OF JUST DO THE TESTS AND IMPROVE YOUR LINES. it makes one wonder WHY some of these breeders don't test??? is it because they know they have the problems but bury their head's in the sand or have they not submitted results because they didnt look good enough.
I think DP calls it the ostrich syndrome lol
I agree with what has been said on earlier posts that anyone who truly has the breed at heart would have willingly done the tests and not wait until they were forced to.
I practice what I preach DO YOU???
by Superdog on 17 January 2010 - 16:01
I agree with the comments past. The Accredited scheme was a basis for improvement, but when one is allowing any litter to be registered, regardless of colour or creed or health issues, why have standard if one's not going to try and keep to it, it's like joining a club and not abiding to the rules?????
Tell me this, why is it at one time a Vet if a GSD came in lame would state ....HD it's a GSD? Not all will Xray
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Why now is it it must have EPI because it has the trots?
Education is the answer, to make a mistake in ones breeding programme is bad luck but to repeat that mistake is not good for anyone.
But one animal suffering with an unknown problem to that breed is not an epidemic, one should be aware and go from there.
Peoples practises vary, and thus this is why I consider education and proof of a problem to be something which would help, especially when one cannot get all to Xray for HD. Convert not by bullying, explain ones reasons and proof that the problem exists.
You would be surprised as to how interesting it becomes.
One promise we do make is that those who contact us are not scandalised at every oppotunity. Any info we receive is between the researcher them and their Vet not the rest of the dog world, peronal opiniopns do not come into it, professional behaviour is very important.
Freedom of choice is also in this country very important.
Superdog
Tell me this, why is it at one time a Vet if a GSD came in lame would state ....HD it's a GSD? Not all will Xray
.
Why now is it it must have EPI because it has the trots?
Education is the answer, to make a mistake in ones breeding programme is bad luck but to repeat that mistake is not good for anyone.
But one animal suffering with an unknown problem to that breed is not an epidemic, one should be aware and go from there.
Peoples practises vary, and thus this is why I consider education and proof of a problem to be something which would help, especially when one cannot get all to Xray for HD. Convert not by bullying, explain ones reasons and proof that the problem exists.
You would be surprised as to how interesting it becomes.
One promise we do make is that those who contact us are not scandalised at every oppotunity. Any info we receive is between the researcher them and their Vet not the rest of the dog world, peronal opiniopns do not come into it, professional behaviour is very important.
Freedom of choice is also in this country very important.
Superdog
by missbeeb on 17 January 2010 - 16:01
I disagree with your "freedom of choice", Superdog; it sounds like a KC type of cop out! It should not even be a consideration when prevention is a potential option! Free from hereditary diseases should be a big part of every breeders aim!
If much of the world x-rays for ED... it's a pretty big clue that there's, at least, a predisposition for it, in some lines... prevention has to be better.
Vets are always jumping on some band wagon or other... that can't be news, nor is it relevant. If health checks were mandatory, across the board, we'd soon see improvements.
by Jonah1 on 17 January 2010 - 16:01
SUPERDOG. Not a very fitting user name for you LOL. What a bullshitting hypocrite you are , yeh we can all see through ya bullshit post !. YOU ARE ADMITTING THAT YA NEVER CARED ENOUGH TO DO THE TESTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
I LIKE THE BIT WHERE YA SAID YA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE AT THE PRESENT ( OPTIONAL ), SO YOU AND YER CRONIES OPTED NOT TO DO THE TESTS ---- SAYS IT ALL .LOL. Wots the use in havin a healthy dog if its a cripple !.
Yer DM test or the others aint no darned good if the dogs aint got 4 good legs to start with !.
NA NA NA ---- NO EXCUSES FOR NOT TESTING FOR HIPS - ELBOWS - HAEMOPHILIA.
YOU ARE A BIG LIAR . CHRIS HARVY ADVISES ON MORE THAN WOTS LISTED --- I HAVE SEEN EMAILS THAT SHE WROTE MYSELF SO DONT PUSH YA LUCK OR I WILL ASK THE PERSON CONCERNED TO POST THE EMAILS ON HERE SO ALL CAN SEE WOT JUNK IS TOLD TO THE PUPPY BUYING PUBLIC.
I LIKE THE BIT WHERE YA SAID YA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE AT THE PRESENT ( OPTIONAL ), SO YOU AND YER CRONIES OPTED NOT TO DO THE TESTS ---- SAYS IT ALL .LOL. Wots the use in havin a healthy dog if its a cripple !.
Yer DM test or the others aint no darned good if the dogs aint got 4 good legs to start with !.
NA NA NA ---- NO EXCUSES FOR NOT TESTING FOR HIPS - ELBOWS - HAEMOPHILIA.
YOU ARE A BIG LIAR . CHRIS HARVY ADVISES ON MORE THAN WOTS LISTED --- I HAVE SEEN EMAILS THAT SHE WROTE MYSELF SO DONT PUSH YA LUCK OR I WILL ASK THE PERSON CONCERNED TO POST THE EMAILS ON HERE SO ALL CAN SEE WOT JUNK IS TOLD TO THE PUPPY BUYING PUBLIC.
by jaymesie51 on 17 January 2010 - 17:01
Unfortunately it is up to every breeder to choose whether to health test their stock or not it is not mandatory to do so, this is because the KC refuse point blank to make it mandatory, they are more interested in stopping double handling than the health and welfare of pedigree dogs so please all of you put your energy into positive drive and help this breed to go forward with unity and with every bodies help we can have a strong happy healthy breed.This could be the best chance we will ever get to ensure that every puppy is born from health tested parents with sound temperaments.So be sure and vote to protect your breed because i can assure you that no one else give's a monkeys as we live in a world where me first is paramount
jim h
jim h
by svbc1 on 17 January 2010 - 17:01
superdog thank you for clarifying your position. The way I have read your post is that you do not personally test for elbows or haemophilia which I naturally assumed you would automatically be doing yourself having the standing you have relating to health issues in the german shepherd dog ?.
by Jonah1 on 17 January 2010 - 18:01
jaymesie51. How right ya are its unfortunate the kennel club dont do wots right for the breed and the public. Its a poor state when breeders thats been in dogs for as many years as some have and dont do the health tests thats been available for a lotta years. Even the non standard coloured breeders hip-elbow-haemophlia test , so there just aint no excuse for the so called proper breeders for not doin the best for the gsd breed . Like tigermouse said LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
by Superdog on 17 January 2010 - 19:01
Well you assume correctly I do follow guide lines, but as I do not FLOOD the market and only breed when I wish to keep, why would I test for Haemophilla when I do not own a male??????
As far as elbows are concerned yes I do have such xrays done when I have hips done.
Thank-you Tigermouse for contacting me I was most grateful and very pleased to hear from you again.
JONAH I don't know you and do not wish to I consider the way you speak to people a great
dis-service public speaking and to the Breed anyway, and if you are the norm of the now supporters of this great breed GOD Help us
I am not repsonsible for your attitude or anyone elses, I also have no way of inforcing what is correct
nor do I wish to be, you need no help in enlightening all of your behaviour in public you have just demonstrated it in you sad reply.
From the way you speak I have a good idea who you are and will waste no more time addressing you.
Keep taking the pills you obviously need them
As far as elbows are concerned yes I do have such xrays done when I have hips done.
Thank-you Tigermouse for contacting me I was most grateful and very pleased to hear from you again.
JONAH I don't know you and do not wish to I consider the way you speak to people a great
dis-service public speaking and to the Breed anyway, and if you are the norm of the now supporters of this great breed GOD Help us
I am not repsonsible for your attitude or anyone elses, I also have no way of inforcing what is correct
nor do I wish to be, you need no help in enlightening all of your behaviour in public you have just demonstrated it in you sad reply.
From the way you speak I have a good idea who you are and will waste no more time addressing you.
Keep taking the pills you obviously need them
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