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by freemont on 15 December 2009 - 18:12
Think about it:
Is there another breed of canine on planet earth as well represented as the GSD OUTSIDE of Kennel Clubs? Be gone with them and their silliness! The GSD will probably thrive better.
Is there another breed of canine on planet earth as well represented as the GSD OUTSIDE of Kennel Clubs? Be gone with them and their silliness! The GSD will probably thrive better.
by Videx on 15 December 2009 - 19:12
I have NO doubts whatsoever the SV, WUSV and the GSD World-Wide community will fully support our GSD Breed Clubs here within the UK, in their developing a system far superior to the Kennel Club system.
A system based on the WUSV system, which places proven identification and health matters at the very centre of the Show and breeding Rules & Regulations.
A system based on the WUSV system, which places proven identification and health matters at the very centre of the Show and breeding Rules & Regulations.
by Penny on 15 December 2009 - 23:12
Well. K.C. showing - in true style again their unreasonable behaviour, unprofessional and unbusiness like approach to a paying customer - the likes of us nutters who keep paying them.
Mackenzie wonders why they have bypassed the GSD partnership. I can hazard a very good guess at that having been at the open forum meeting. The way that negotiations were being handled by the GSD partnership were far in advance of any unprofessional side-lining that the KC get up to, and they cant argue with truth and tenacity - the GSD Partnership have been polite, truthful in approach, patient with the lack of clinical evidence from the KC for their sweeping accusations against us, and in general, very professional.
Any party trying to get away from those virtues is on an unhill struggle and the time is running out - 2012 is approaching and the KC are hearing of other events springing up. They dont fancy themselves up before the Monopolies Commission - or in the European Court of Human Rights, and they see a lack of response and panic from the GSD people that they felt they would get. They also fear we may now have a better year in 2012, and really like it.......
GSD Breed Club Members voted the GSD Partnership to speak on their behalf and negotiate - in any sort of issue, that done, with the wishes of the democratic vote - and discussions and meetings already having taken place, the table to set out further negotiations is the GSDP table, not go to individual breed clubs. I am appalled.
What they are clearly trying out is to split and divide the breed club thoughts and have a mish mash of some clubs abiding and some not, and CC`s at some clubs and others without...... very understanding and professional. ! If these people were running an industry they would be joining the dole queue by now and at the very least their people/business skills would be in great question.
I see that registration costs have gone up and their is only one price for all. . Can I ask then, if in my kennel I have no dogs of unsound movement, and as a Championship KC Approved Judge,(having passed the conformation and movement examination together with the other parts of the exam), I feel that my dogs have correct back-lines, but some breed clubs dont jump on the shovel when the KC shouts - why wouldnt I ask for a lower rate to register my litter? Given that in 2 years since this threat was made, I may even have a dog that is looking for a CC or two - and he cant get them, not because he is faulty, but because the KC has made them scarce in 2010.
Now - what if my neighbour breeds King Charles Spaniels - and is not an accredited breeder. In 2012 he can go along his merry way showing his dog with the most cruel disease of dogdom, unchecked, and the KC will think thats ok.
Oh dear - how come he and I will pay the same registration and I will be getting only half of the promise of the KC registration system
It is an appalling system, we must remember everyone, including the Kennel Club has to be accountable for their actions, partiularly when taking peoples money - and every breed club or society approached should refer the KC back to the GSDP. When a show is run, there is a special price for entry where no cc`s are on offer - 2 tier system to make it fair. Where is the system for GSD people who have correct dogs registered this last 12 months?
I registerd a litter in the early part of the year. With that registration, I sent the following letter....
Dear Sirs, The dam and Sire of this litter are correct in hind movement and are both top winning stock, breed surveyed and hip scored favourably. I am registering thi
Mackenzie wonders why they have bypassed the GSD partnership. I can hazard a very good guess at that having been at the open forum meeting. The way that negotiations were being handled by the GSD partnership were far in advance of any unprofessional side-lining that the KC get up to, and they cant argue with truth and tenacity - the GSD Partnership have been polite, truthful in approach, patient with the lack of clinical evidence from the KC for their sweeping accusations against us, and in general, very professional.
Any party trying to get away from those virtues is on an unhill struggle and the time is running out - 2012 is approaching and the KC are hearing of other events springing up. They dont fancy themselves up before the Monopolies Commission - or in the European Court of Human Rights, and they see a lack of response and panic from the GSD people that they felt they would get. They also fear we may now have a better year in 2012, and really like it.......
GSD Breed Club Members voted the GSD Partnership to speak on their behalf and negotiate - in any sort of issue, that done, with the wishes of the democratic vote - and discussions and meetings already having taken place, the table to set out further negotiations is the GSDP table, not go to individual breed clubs. I am appalled.
What they are clearly trying out is to split and divide the breed club thoughts and have a mish mash of some clubs abiding and some not, and CC`s at some clubs and others without...... very understanding and professional. ! If these people were running an industry they would be joining the dole queue by now and at the very least their people/business skills would be in great question.
I see that registration costs have gone up and their is only one price for all. . Can I ask then, if in my kennel I have no dogs of unsound movement, and as a Championship KC Approved Judge,(having passed the conformation and movement examination together with the other parts of the exam), I feel that my dogs have correct back-lines, but some breed clubs dont jump on the shovel when the KC shouts - why wouldnt I ask for a lower rate to register my litter? Given that in 2 years since this threat was made, I may even have a dog that is looking for a CC or two - and he cant get them, not because he is faulty, but because the KC has made them scarce in 2010.
Now - what if my neighbour breeds King Charles Spaniels - and is not an accredited breeder. In 2012 he can go along his merry way showing his dog with the most cruel disease of dogdom, unchecked, and the KC will think thats ok.
Oh dear - how come he and I will pay the same registration and I will be getting only half of the promise of the KC registration system
It is an appalling system, we must remember everyone, including the Kennel Club has to be accountable for their actions, partiularly when taking peoples money - and every breed club or society approached should refer the KC back to the GSDP. When a show is run, there is a special price for entry where no cc`s are on offer - 2 tier system to make it fair. Where is the system for GSD people who have correct dogs registered this last 12 months?
I registerd a litter in the early part of the year. With that registration, I sent the following letter....
Dear Sirs, The dam and Sire of this litter are correct in hind movement and are both top winning stock, breed surveyed and hip scored favourably. I am registering thi
by Mackenzie on 16 December 2009 - 09:12
I agree with Penny that it is appalling that the KC should even think about by passing the GSDP let alone making a statement at this time that that is their intention. The breed Clubs and all of the members must stick together and support the GSDP in bringing the KC back to the negotiating table on the fair and reasonable terms that the Partnership is presenting.
The KC, in it’s usual way when dealing with the breed, began the negotiations with the GSDP as just lip service and, never fully realised from their exalted position in the ivory towers of Clarges Street, that the depth and knowledge of the partnership would be at such a high level. Consequently their negotiators were not prepared for such a reasonable and knowledgeable presentation and do not really know how to deal with the situation. In the circumstances the KC does what it always does, it either ignores the problem until it goes away, or, as in this case it will find a way to bypass a democratically elected spokesman until it gets its own way. The psychology of the KC is that with its knowledge of the dog world and pedigree dogs nobody can tell them anything and, they will do nothing unless it is their idea. Also, the KC takes the position that it is beyond objective criticism.
In the current situation and with expulsion on the horizon I hope the GSDP will raise public awareness of the current situation. I think that we should enlist the help of the media in the same way that the KC do and, if possible, get the BBC to support us. Unless there is more public awareness of the responsible position that the breed, as it always has done, is far ahead of the KC, then we increase the risk to the future of the German Shepherd Dog in the UK. The Kennel Club, regrettably, is not the people to trust with this breed.
I also hope that all the breeds get behind us in this matter because they could be next on the list for the KC hairdryer treatment.
Mackenzie
The KC, in it’s usual way when dealing with the breed, began the negotiations with the GSDP as just lip service and, never fully realised from their exalted position in the ivory towers of Clarges Street, that the depth and knowledge of the partnership would be at such a high level. Consequently their negotiators were not prepared for such a reasonable and knowledgeable presentation and do not really know how to deal with the situation. In the circumstances the KC does what it always does, it either ignores the problem until it goes away, or, as in this case it will find a way to bypass a democratically elected spokesman until it gets its own way. The psychology of the KC is that with its knowledge of the dog world and pedigree dogs nobody can tell them anything and, they will do nothing unless it is their idea. Also, the KC takes the position that it is beyond objective criticism.
In the current situation and with expulsion on the horizon I hope the GSDP will raise public awareness of the current situation. I think that we should enlist the help of the media in the same way that the KC do and, if possible, get the BBC to support us. Unless there is more public awareness of the responsible position that the breed, as it always has done, is far ahead of the KC, then we increase the risk to the future of the German Shepherd Dog in the UK. The Kennel Club, regrettably, is not the people to trust with this breed.
I also hope that all the breeds get behind us in this matter because they could be next on the list for the KC hairdryer treatment.
Mackenzie
by missbeeb on 16 December 2009 - 09:12
Good post, Mo... spot on!
I reiterate, we're too demanding, too pushy, too knowledgeable about our breed for them; how dare we ask for mandatory health checks, introduce hip scoring, haemophilia testing, introduce a Sieger show... oops... event, ask for a two tier registration system, to prevent THEM from losing money, etc, etc!
They couldn't run a bloody bath between them... let's go!
by AmbiiGSD on 16 December 2009 - 10:12
Time to Call their bluff...
by jaymesie51 on 16 December 2009 - 10:12
The KC are not stupid they know that a united GSD breed will win so they go about there stratagy of divide and conquer if they manage to keep us all divided then we make there position strong but united there is no way we can lose,, this is the road we have to go down we must all stay united in getting the KC to make all health tests mandatory for all breeds not just ours to keep the FCI/SV standard and not deviate from it to allow out side attraction at our breed shows and to start a two tier registration system as soon as possible (untill the mandatory health schemes are up and running) or we go our own way 100% of us not just some because the KC are hoping that we cant agree and there for make it easy for them to pick us off you see in all of this the ball really is in our court as long as we stay united because what we are asking them to do is put the health and welfare of pedigree dogs first something the KC say they want.
jim h
jim h
by Penny on 16 December 2009 - 15:12
My post above was too long, and the letter I sent to the KC with my litter registration was not shown.... it was.... in the earlier part of 2009 when the announcement had been made re CC`s.....
Dear Sirs,
The dam and Sire of this litter are correct in hind movement and are both top winning stock, breed surveyed and hip scored favourably. Males are haemophilia tested. I am registering this litter and retaining for myself a puppy with which I intend to exhibit. With that in mind, I see that CC`s are suspended for 2012. This is the time there-onwards when my animal may get the chance of a top honour. You will be curtailing that opportunity if CC`s are withdrawn from GSD`s for that year.
Do I then get a refund? My dog, if exhibited, I can assure you will have correct backline, and be sound, or he/she will not be exhibited. What are the terms and conditions for yourselves, of taking money for registration of an animal? Banks have been brought in to line on unfair charges - . How do you view your position if 2012 gives no CC`s to innocent exhibitors that have spent their money with you, and have correct animals. Yours faithfully M Lakin.
I got my litter registered. I got no answer to my letter. Speaks volumes, Mo Lakin.
Dear Sirs,
The dam and Sire of this litter are correct in hind movement and are both top winning stock, breed surveyed and hip scored favourably. Males are haemophilia tested. I am registering this litter and retaining for myself a puppy with which I intend to exhibit. With that in mind, I see that CC`s are suspended for 2012. This is the time there-onwards when my animal may get the chance of a top honour. You will be curtailing that opportunity if CC`s are withdrawn from GSD`s for that year.
Do I then get a refund? My dog, if exhibited, I can assure you will have correct backline, and be sound, or he/she will not be exhibited. What are the terms and conditions for yourselves, of taking money for registration of an animal? Banks have been brought in to line on unfair charges - . How do you view your position if 2012 gives no CC`s to innocent exhibitors that have spent their money with you, and have correct animals. Yours faithfully M Lakin.
I got my litter registered. I got no answer to my letter. Speaks volumes, Mo Lakin.
by Mackenzie on 16 December 2009 - 16:12
The response Mo received from the KC regarding her letter reflects what I said in my earlier post regarding the way that the KC deals with problems. No surprise to me.
Mackenzie
Mackenzie
by Penny on 16 December 2009 - 16:12
Very true Mackenzie....
Genuine GSD folk with correct GSD`s, are all singing from the same hymn sheet on this particular issue with the KC - lets see what the breed clubs get from them and then I would urge every breed club secretary to give them the same response as I got from my letter to them, NONE - and pass the KC letter on to the GSD Partnership for answering. Mo.
Genuine GSD folk with correct GSD`s, are all singing from the same hymn sheet on this particular issue with the KC - lets see what the breed clubs get from them and then I would urge every breed club secretary to give them the same response as I got from my letter to them, NONE - and pass the KC letter on to the GSD Partnership for answering. Mo.
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