Showline Sable Central - Page 2

Probably the best bred sable SL male in the country is Ronaldo Arlett (www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/343309.html). Lives with a good friend of mine. Awesome temperament, incorruptible character, great family dog, no dog agression issues!! If I were breeding bitches these days, these are the bloodlines that appeal to me, personally.

Louise,
I find it very interesting that you point out our Ronaldo Arlett aka Quinto (as he has been known to his breeder, us, and the people who owned and raised him before us, the Maibüchens) now but never said a word before in all these years. When my husband imported him as a young dog after Holger Köhnke titled him for us 6 years ago, everybody was very complimentary about him and his genetic potential and sent all these sweet emails and messages. But except for two people, no one put their actions where their mouths were. Quinto is all what you say and more. His pedigree is awsome and to this day, I do not understand that people did not take more advantage of him. But this is their loss, not ours. When we breed or import a dog, pedigree is everything for us (as Walter Martin once said: The blood is the important factor, better to breed with the worse puppy from an excellent litter than to use an excellent dog with nothing behind it). As far as we know, Quinto now lives with one of our old homebred sable girls (Winni vom Silbersee) in a nice retirement home as a house dog in Northern Virginia. At least, that is what Randy (Dog 1) had told us who had purchased him from us. Like us, Randy is a fan of sable showlines and wanted to use Quinto for his breeding program which is a lot more extensive than ours. We only own a handful of dogs and breed one to two litters a year, if now even that.

Windwalker,
my litter out of VA-Shicco von der Freiheit Westerholt is due next week and we expect most if not all puppies to be sable. However, my homebred girl is not a sable workingline but a showline, out of the above mentioned Ronald von Arlett and our old Vila vom Haus Dexel (who is also enjoying retirement in one of my good friend#s house). Penny is a "double sable", both her parents are. Chances are good that she might even be a homozygous one but we can't be sure until we breed her to more than one male. Penny is very well bred with a great "open" pedigree: www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/537160.html

Chris

It appears the sables are becoming more popular as they are becoming rarer. Their placings are comensurate with the black and reds at the shows I've been to. Look at Rik's dog who went #1 in a large puppy class in Statesville. Yulia and Thomas with their Nationally top placing sables from Happy that consistently place top 3. Chris with her success with Gina first ring at the German Sieger Show. Charlie Starr with Udo who won every class he entered except the sieger show. Waiko who placed V1 in Germany in front of the V9 dog from the German Sieger show.

Over the years I've asked the judges about the color and if it made a difference to them. The answer has consistently been; it's not the color but the structure. There's not that many sables out there that can produce the structure. They tend to come from either Champ or Timo. The sables are limited by the small number of dogs alive that can produce a top specimen rather than the color.

AKC? Not sure but they seem to be accepted. Look for at least one sable at an AKC show on the east coast this year.

Speaking of Ronaldo Arlett, Louise is right, one excellent male. Look at the wonderful pedigree with Kliff and a super producing mother. Ronaldo is retired now but the Veteran's class is back at the sieger show. We're hoping to have him with his new family's son showing him and two of his offspring entered. I'm getting the paperwork together now. Expect to see more sables in the ring and on the field this year.

We're also putting together a progeny group for Waiko. He has 8 litters on the ground now. We're looking for show homes for the puppies and are willing to support them along the way. We're hoping the highest placing sable in the world can be the first sable in the US to go VA. We'll need help and are looking for it. As we have seen it now takes progeny to accomplish this. Just PM me if you're interested.

Chris, if I had not bought my Quenn daughter last year I'd begging you for one of those puppies. If went out and got another dog my fiance might move out...although.....that could free up space for another dog....

Many excellent studs come to this country and don't get used enough. One great dog in my area comes immediately to mind. I think many breeders want to promote their own stud dogs. I'm happy to not have one and take advantage of everyone else's. ;)

Are they any titled, koered, Timo sons or grandsons in the US or Canada?

I did not find sable to be a hold back in the U.S. The dog in my avatar was my first German s/l (chosen with an AKC eye) and did very well in our first competions.

I choose dogs for show in what I think will win, not color. But I do love the sable. 

As far as I am concerned, there are only a couple breeders of the sable in North America able to produce winning dogs. Randy Brent, and the guy in Canada whose name escapes me.  Yullia has a very good chance with her bitch.

Rik

Rik,

See any resemblence?

Let's return to topic please.

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Thanks for all the info and photos.  nonacona, I think the ASL dog you posted is beautiful.