Schutzhund Training makes dogs more aggresive? - Page 2

It worried me because I saw those dogs at the training, they looked so aggressive, I'm afraid one day something happen, they think it's just another training and preceed to bite.  anyways, that was good to know. 

look closer at the dogs training.........

notice that their ears are up, their eyes are soft and their tails are not underneath them.

learn doggie body launguage......

the bite work is just a tug of war game for the dogs.........

Please be careful with this- Doggie tug of war- phrase. It is not always the case. My own dogs are like that, however there are plenty of very serious/civil dogs out there in Schutzhund that are not playing.

Theresa

too funny 4pack.  

sheesh is correct.  not all dogs think of protection work as tug of war.  granted some of the "prey monsters"  this method can be used.   

anyone ever seen a soft dog taught protection work through defense? 

john

Schutzhund doesn't make a dog aggressive, aggression is there or it isn't.   Do you alread have a gsd?


 But most importantly a dog that at shows any sign of agression to people or other dogs is disqualified......no if's and's or but's.

Are you sure about that?  Some dogs are civil and have natural aggression, or at least that is what I see it being called.    Not everyone want a dog who will only protect them if the bad guy has a sleeve on.  I'm not sure this is correct.  Or are we just confused on terminology.    Shelley?

John,

Yes, I have seen this, but it is not pretty. It can be a good method if used on the correct dog, and IMO a soft dog would not be the correct one to use it on. I would much rather see it on a strong dog with minimal prey,  It is also used a lot on dogs that are sent away for quick training/titles. It is quicker than taking the time to do it the other way, based on prey......


Civil and natural agression are fine, the important thing is that is is under control. They should not show aggression or defense if there is no threat. No matter what the agression/prey/civil is, they should still have a stable character.
Theresa

I agree with most of the responses above. However, there is a caveat. There are some GSDs that are very serious dogs. In a pet home these dogs may never have their seriousness awakened. When engaged in schutzhund bitework especially with a good helper that knows how to bring out the fight drive of a serious dog, the result may be "too much dog" for the pet owner or the casual weekend schutzhund hobbyist. In a way, it is like opening Pandora's box. Make sure you are "enough of an owner" to deal with the possible consequences. (Having said that, these kinds of dogs are rare in today's GSD breed)

"the result may be "too much dog" for the pet owner or the casual weekend schutzhund hobbyist."


you are right, and that's exactly my intention. so now should I even bother looking for a GSD? I don't have one yet. I'm learning more and more about this breed, I hope i can accomodate what they are bred for.

Hi gsdluver,
    Any breed needs a job to do, whether it be a small dog in a purse all the way up to the working breeds. I believe the idea is that any dog and owner needs to learn control. If it is a GSD you are looking for, first go to a reliable, established Schutzhund club, explain what you want to do and go from there. You can look on united schutzhund club of america web site for clubs in your area. Also here is their regulation on dog/people aggression.
USA POLICY ON DOG AGGRESSION TO DOGS AND/OR PEOPLE
Posted December 23, 2008
Effective Date: January 1, 2009
After incidents of dog aggression in a couple of trials this spring (2008), the USA Judges Committee was tasked with presenting a policy that USA will follow to address any further situations that arise. Aggression would be defined as a dog that bites a person or a dog that initiates aggression toward another dog. We also made sure that the USA attorney looked at this policy before disseminating it for general viewing.
The following will be the official USA policy for dog aggression toward dogs and/or people:
1st Offense
Immediate dismissal from the trial with all scores and ratings deleted and the following notation made in the scorebook: Dismissed/aggression to dog and/or person.
USA, USA judges, and all USA regional directors shall be informed of the incident.
No later than one day following the event, the presiding judge at the event shall file a detailed report with the USA Director of Judges describing the incident and actions taken. This report shall then be distributed to all USA judges.
2nd Offense
Immediate dismissal from the trial with all scores and ratings deleted and the following notation made in the scorebook: Dismissed/aggression to dog and/or person.
Suspension of the dog from all USA-sanctioned events and/or activities for one year.
Suspension of the handler from all USA-sanctioned events and/or activities for six months.
USA, USA judges, and all USA regional directors shall be informed of the incident.
No later than one day following the event, the presiding judge at the event shall file a detailed report with the USA Director of Judges describing the incident and actions taken. This report shall then be distributed to all USA judges.
3rd Offense
Banishment of the dog from all USA-sanctioned events and/or activities for life.
Suspension of the handler from all USA-sanctioned events and/or activities for one year.
Destruction of the USA scorebook for the dog.
USA, USA judges, and all USA regional directors shall be informed of the incident.
No later than one day following the event, the presiding judge at the event shall file a detailed report with the USA Director of Judges describing the incident and actions taken. This report shall then be distributed to all USA judges.
The information shall be published in the USA magazine.


The officiating judge at an event where an incident occurs is the sole arbiter of any and all decisions made concerning faulty temperament and actions that dictate any of the policy described above.

We currently follow the procedure described in the first offense; however, we felt it best to be proactive and be prepared in case there is a recurring incident with any specific dog. This policy will go into effect January 1, 2009.

Mark F. Przybylski,
USA Director of Judges
Surrender of the USA scorebook for the dog to USA for the duration of the suspension.
USA, USA judges, and all USA regional directors shall be informed of the incident.
No later than one day following the event, the presiding judge at the event shall file a detailed report with the USA Director of Judges describing the incident and actions taken. This report shall then be distributed to a

Years ago I found a half starved female GSD on the side of the road.  It took me close to an hour to get her in the vehicle and that was WITH food.  She had aggression issues with men who smoked and was extremely timid and showed many signs of being abused by her previous owner.  I took her to agression classes to learn how to deal with her and show her it wasn't necessary and later trained her to be a Search & Rescue trailing dog.  And as a trailing dog she had to look for men too, even some who smoked.  She got over her fears and learned how to behave accordingly but I know by her body language she never forgot.  She is retired now & living like a queen.  She has never bitten any one over the 8 years I've had the pleasure of owning her.  
My 2 year old female GSD has been trained for Search & Rescue HRD & has begun training in Schutzhund in all phases.  She is a much higher drive dog than my old girl and was a pup when I got her.  All pups are a handful and Audi was no exception, once I started working on her obedience she became a dream.  Don't get me wrong she is High energy & play but she is controlled when & where to play when I tell her.  She is wonderful and will follow me through the house and lay beside me calmly.  My youngest grand-daughter will be a year old this month.  Audi has never shown any aggression or roughness around her at all.  Having said that I would NEVER leave a child with ANY animal unattended, just asking for trouble and they are animals after all.  She is good around my cats, my other dogs and even my parrot.  I believe the key to any good dog is good obedience and schutzhund training is a great obedience builder for any dog.  
Teri