GSD Rescue BREEDING a RESCUE Dog!!!!! - Page 2

Exactly. Rescue motto is to spay all dogs!!! And, come to that, is it not a requirement of 501c3 rescues? But I'm telling you, I have so many dogs coming thru here that I just would NOT BOTHER with one who is on prozac. 

Edit: Note from a rescue here in CA

I'm not sure how florida works, but here in california, if you are breeding for a profit, you are supposed to have a breeders permit, if they have none, they can not breed for profit, and I would highly recommend someone view their charter, or 501 filings, to see if they actually included that in with the paperwork, most 501 are NOT FOR PROFIT, some are a for profit, and if so, they are able to actually make monies, but to do so while breeding, I believe would be a conflict of interest. If they are not showing and entering the dogs in akc shows, they are not "bettering the breed" and therefore, essentially are "back yard breeders"  which is why most of these dogs come into rescue to begin with! Report them to whomever is in charge of 501 in florida, is the way I would go:)   side note, if this dog came from a reputable breeder, it would have been pts.  That would be how it wound up in rescue.  Show dogs go to show homes, pet dogs to pet homes, and unplaceable dogs, are pts, sad but true, especially if bettering the breed, you cull out the undesirables, plain and simple, but the process none the less:(  

 "Exactly. Rescue motto is to spay all dogs!!! And, come to that, is it not a requirement of 501c3 rescues? "

Only if it is in their charter or in their operating procedures.  That said, this "rescue" needs to be outed and reported to every shelter and pound in their area.  They should not be allowed to get intact dogs.

Jerks like this give rescue a bad name. 

Not only that, but any rescue that adopts out a crazy dog with a POSSIBLY genetic disposition issue has opened itself up to liability problems. How could anybody in good conscience send out a dog that they know darn well could possibly injure someone? Well, I'm guessing that the rescue in question probably figured that out but still wants a way to make a dime off her.

Well, I've definitely included them on my DNA/DNR yahoo list. And I will probably contact Petfinders about them, because they are breaking all those rules for sure.

I'm also told that sometimes these private rescues can do just about anything they feel like. Well. Not if they want access to the same benefits the rest of us get, they don't.

 How could anybody in good conscience send out a dog that they know darn well could possibly injure someone?


I have worked through 100's of rescue dogs and only ever couseled two to be put down.
Im a firm beleiver in behavior modification in dogs and as some of them may have genetic
disposition to retreat to fearful, or your over dominant bitters can be brought to a meadian
ground and sustain a happy family life or working life if applicable. Like most of us would
say its all about balance.

However i think it really comes down to rescue selection process for placement of most dogs.
Some can go anywhere however most need a specific enviroment to succeed at life. Rescues
have a lot of problems and most of it comes from money and ignorant handlers. You all know
this.

A dog on prozac tells me it just someone that couldnt work with the dog properly and felt meds
would help cure it. I have a friend with 2 clients now with two sheps on many diffrent psychopathic
drugs for every day of the week.. These dogs were right in the head when they left a year ago and
now they are so screwed up Jesus would go wow how do I fix you two.

I agree I would get hard evidence on the situation and would report them as well. I told a friend of
mine who still works with the rescue and he was appauled to here this story. I think thats a good
move vom.

"How could anybody in good conscience send out a dog that they know darn well could possibly injure someone?"

Rescues and humane societies do it every day of the week.  Walk through and look at the kennels: "No children," "Must be only dog," "No cats," "No children under 12," etc.  These are unsafe dogs and heaven forbid a child or a cat or another dog comes in their way in the real world. 

Well, of course in the real world ANY dog could possibly injure someone, but here in my world, we try to do our best to reduce our own liability and to keep our consciences clear. Yoshy, I'm ok with dogs that people have screwed up as long as it's obvious they can be rehabbed, and by obvious I guess I mean a strong feeling. I'm about 300 years older than you are and I know from a lot of experience that even if the dog is just AMAZING (which one of mine was), a dangerous dog is a liability and a danger. I worked on one for four years, a black lab, but finally had to give up on him...and I lived way out in the boonies at the time. Still, he wanted to kill people. Broke my heart and I cried for weeks, but I just couldn't risk even KEEPING him any more, let alone adopting him out. He'd have had to be kenneled for life, and that was just too hard on a feral dog. I eventually had to do what I had to do.

Some dogs cant function in society you are absolutly correct. no doubt there. 
I think we are pretty much on the same just in the mannor i took the statemeant
that was made earlier of the dog shoudl be put down. I think you and I can definitely
agree there are unsufficient owners who take the dog to the vet with issues and
prescribe uneccessary drugs to a dog that just needs direction and training.

that my only point.

300 years older nice. haha.

I have learned one thing thing in all my time with working dogs. We can all learn
something from one another though. Some more than others. And i agree with you
on a lot but there are some others much older than I that we can agree on IMO are
idiots. WE can even learn does and don'ts from them. But thats the nature of this
world is its a lot of theory and no master book. I also can atest to a problem dog thats
a risk as one of mine is as well. I will never place him most likely so he will be a
permanent foster until he dies most likely. So dont think I was jumping on you. I was
just saying i wouldnt revert to the needle as the 1st option.

Tess J- They do, do it. but here is a problem. Liability means disclosing all information to 
adopters. this doesnt always represent the true mental state of the dog. I can name 3 humane
societiesi have volunteered with that cause a dog snarled on its first day in the kennel either died, 
was listed as aggressive, so on and so forth. Who the hell wouldnt growl the 1st day headed into
a kennel for the first time.They dont have the intelligent dog handlers feeding dogs at the local HS.
However in a rescue or HS the information disclosed is to release liability of those situations and
give the adopter a little intel of what the dog will need.Every dog is capable of biting. Most of the time
the so called expert volunteers and kennel hands dont have a clue and there is nothing wrong with
the dog, or can easily be corrected with a steady hand. So it is needed. I select homes for my
placements very strictly. I critique everything. But i want the best fit for the dogs i saved and worked
very hard to rehab and became attached to. And i will predicate my decision based on eviroment,
family, behavior of kids, home style, previous vet records, temperamnet, dogs reaction to person,
age of kids, animals in home, wear paterns in yard(chained dogs previously), etc...........I take my
placements very seriously and the only one I have had returned was a old lady who died from cancer
a few years after adoption. So it is necessary in my opinion to specify a dogs needs. Some dogs
are not good with kids. Many of us have big strong working dogs. Some good with kids some not
some good with cats some not. We base our selction of a dog on our enviroment and the dogs
purpose. Why should a rescue not do the same?



 

Yoshy, I may be old, but I think we're on the same page. Good for you for doing all that hard work, too. 

Contact the FL Department of Agriculture and check to see if the group is licensed. If not report them. In IL if you have a dog in a shelter it is a state law it be altered. While it is kept at the shelter/rescue it MUST be kept separated from dogs of the opposite sex. Not doing so will result in fines... but only if people report the matter and stay on top of it. This would not be legal in IL and the group would be investigated and fined for either not having a license or for breeding the dog/keeping it unconfined with the opposite sex.

For starters, any "rescue" organization that supplements their income via breeding dogs with issues should have their ticket pulled.  They have chosen a discipline that requires they spay all dogs that are put in their care.

On the other hand "severe fear and mental issues" sounds like a catch-all phrase for a dog that was unable to overcome harsh training methods.  It is the old case of nature vs nurture.  I'm wagering that the pup has reasonable sound breeding...  and its littermates have not exhibited any bizarre behavior. This pup was returned to the breeder/trainer????  I'd be willing to bet that the "rescue" outfit (some of which are means to supplement a kennel's cash-flow) may have found that the dog was not quite the condemned property everyone thinks.  Just because a dog is unable to be a SchH/PSA dog due to a lack, or excess, of hardness it does not imply that it can't do other less demanding, or more fitting, work.

Unless I was able to evaluate the pup, I'd withold judgement on its suitability or salvageability.  I had a rescue GSD that had some severe prey and dominance "issues" and I was able to break her out of them.  That being said, a GSD rescue has no place breeding more dogs. I would recomend that you get your pup, spay it and then donate it to a prison dog-training program.