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by VonIsengard on 05 November 2009 - 22:11
My membership, also, expired when I retired my dogs. Money was too tight to maintain it without a dog to trial or show. We have a bitch we are looking to koer next year and I will stick with the organization that allows more opportunity to do so, and judging by the event schedules currently posted, that is WDA.
by Bob McKown on 06 November 2009 - 00:11
OGBS:
It passed as written.
It passed as written.

by Rik on 06 November 2009 - 01:11
Hello Bob, in my short time with WDA, I have not noticed that. As a matter of fact, what I have seen is a club with a membership that tells its elected leadership what they want.
I have seen that same membership vote out every entrenched GSDCA officer and install leadership who actually own and work and show dogs.
I have seen that newly elected leadership stand up to the GSDCA, boot one of the GSDCA sons from a free ride to WUSV and attempt in every way to bring the GSD in the U.S. up to world standards.
As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. The GSD in the U.S. wasn't wrecked in a day and it won't be "fixed" in a day.
I can honestly say that from 30 years AKC, many GSDCA and recent USA and WDA that the WDA is the most positive direction I have seen the GSD in the U.S. take.
Not perfect by a long shot, but still it is moving forward.
Rik
I have seen that same membership vote out every entrenched GSDCA officer and install leadership who actually own and work and show dogs.
I have seen that newly elected leadership stand up to the GSDCA, boot one of the GSDCA sons from a free ride to WUSV and attempt in every way to bring the GSD in the U.S. up to world standards.
As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. The GSD in the U.S. wasn't wrecked in a day and it won't be "fixed" in a day.
I can honestly say that from 30 years AKC, many GSDCA and recent USA and WDA that the WDA is the most positive direction I have seen the GSD in the U.S. take.
Not perfect by a long shot, but still it is moving forward.
Rik

by VonIsengard on 06 November 2009 - 01:11
WOW. What a shame.

by gsdsch3v on 06 November 2009 - 03:11
Wow, I was hoping not to have to decide to keep or lose over twenty years of membership with USA. I just renewed last month. that may not have been the best financial decision. I am extremely disappointed in USA right now. I guess there will have to be some difficult decisions made soon.

by Rik on 06 November 2009 - 03:11
edit because I can.
Rik
Rik
by Bob McKown on 06 November 2009 - 12:11
Rik:
Here is what I see happening, The GSDCA will play nice with the WDA until after the 2013 WUSV that there hosting then after that the WDA will again become a red headed step child. The AKC is going to push there WDS program hard and the GSDCA who already conforms to the AKC geramn shepherd standard(which is not a working dog structre by any means) will indorse the AKC program.
In my opinion the only reason the GSDCA has kissed and made up with the WDA is because of the overtures USA had made to them once there need is over(2013) I think you will find a clear reality of the situation.
It,s all politics USA,GSDCA,WDA it,s the same text just a different cover...God help us all.
Here is what I see happening, The GSDCA will play nice with the WDA until after the 2013 WUSV that there hosting then after that the WDA will again become a red headed step child. The AKC is going to push there WDS program hard and the GSDCA who already conforms to the AKC geramn shepherd standard(which is not a working dog structre by any means) will indorse the AKC program.
In my opinion the only reason the GSDCA has kissed and made up with the WDA is because of the overtures USA had made to them once there need is over(2013) I think you will find a clear reality of the situation.
It,s all politics USA,GSDCA,WDA it,s the same text just a different cover...God help us all.

by OGBS on 06 November 2009 - 17:11
Bob,
I agree with your statements above wholeheartedly.
The problem that I see occurring after the 2013 WUSV when the WDA becomes a committee is that there will be so many people in the WDA that are pissed off at, and won't trust the UScA that they will not want to form any sort of compact or join forces. Then we will be stuck with at least three organizations and a bigger mess that will take many, many years to overcome. Right now it does not look good for the GSD in this country.
I certainly understand why they did this, but, UScA probably should have waited on this instead of the knee-jerk approach that they took. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out and there are many un-answered issues that need to be resolved. Take a look at Robin Huerta's posts and you will easily see this. There are certainly many issues that could be played out in our judicial system. The court system is exactly where dogs do not need to be.
Like I always like to say, "For Christ's sake, this is a dog club."
Even though there are many, many people quite upset about this now, I do see good coming from this (I like to look to the positives). If enough members are upset about this it could bring forth much needed change in the direction and leadership of UScA, and give the membership much more say in how the organization is run.
Time will tell.............................................
I agree with your statements above wholeheartedly.
The problem that I see occurring after the 2013 WUSV when the WDA becomes a committee is that there will be so many people in the WDA that are pissed off at, and won't trust the UScA that they will not want to form any sort of compact or join forces. Then we will be stuck with at least three organizations and a bigger mess that will take many, many years to overcome. Right now it does not look good for the GSD in this country.
I certainly understand why they did this, but, UScA probably should have waited on this instead of the knee-jerk approach that they took. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out and there are many un-answered issues that need to be resolved. Take a look at Robin Huerta's posts and you will easily see this. There are certainly many issues that could be played out in our judicial system. The court system is exactly where dogs do not need to be.
Like I always like to say, "For Christ's sake, this is a dog club."
Even though there are many, many people quite upset about this now, I do see good coming from this (I like to look to the positives). If enough members are upset about this it could bring forth much needed change in the direction and leadership of UScA, and give the membership much more say in how the organization is run.
Time will tell.............................................
by hodie on 06 November 2009 - 18:11
This is a fundamentally flawed amendment and if any of you, your clubs, your friends really care about the freedom issue so often spouted herein on this forum, let's see you put your money where your mouth is. WITHDRAW FROM MEMBERSHIP - whether you go join WDA or some other organization is up to you.
I would bet money that if many clubs start withdrawing from the United Schutzhund Clubs of America as member clubs, and individuals do the same and refuse to renew their membership, this action will be changed. No one has the right to tell anyone what group, club, or organization one may not belong to, however offensive or at odds with the other group, club or organization that membership in such a second entity might seem. This is an issue as much about principle as it is anything else. And no, you can bet WDA will not divulge its' membership lists, but just think of it, there are plenty of people who have been open about their dual memberships. Maybe now we will see a renewal of the Witch Trials, where people are accused of belonging.....what a thought. This is so idiotic a measure that it really takes the cake and those who foisted this upon the membership should also be ousted.
Of course, anyone who has long been involved in this organization also knows that there are a host of other reasons why such an amendment was promulgated. The vote process, where a very small number of clubs can dictate what will happen to the membership as a whole is flawed to begin with and has, over the years, said it all in terms of what the organization thinks of the voice of individuals who make up the organization. It has been, and will continue to be about a small group of people and clubs, until and unless the rest of you speak out.
I know my club is happy we are no longer associated with the United Schutzhund Clubs of America. They could have cared less about us, except for our money and our roster....
I say again, until those of you who realize what has happened here protest in a meaningful manner, meaning leaving the organization, nothing will change. Of course, that is exactly what the powers that be hope for. If, as so often, people only gripe here and do nothing else, nothing will come of it. The powers that be are betting on your lack of action and commitment. This amendment had NOTHING to do with the breed, but everything to do with the personal aspirations of a few.
I would bet money that if many clubs start withdrawing from the United Schutzhund Clubs of America as member clubs, and individuals do the same and refuse to renew their membership, this action will be changed. No one has the right to tell anyone what group, club, or organization one may not belong to, however offensive or at odds with the other group, club or organization that membership in such a second entity might seem. This is an issue as much about principle as it is anything else. And no, you can bet WDA will not divulge its' membership lists, but just think of it, there are plenty of people who have been open about their dual memberships. Maybe now we will see a renewal of the Witch Trials, where people are accused of belonging.....what a thought. This is so idiotic a measure that it really takes the cake and those who foisted this upon the membership should also be ousted.
Of course, anyone who has long been involved in this organization also knows that there are a host of other reasons why such an amendment was promulgated. The vote process, where a very small number of clubs can dictate what will happen to the membership as a whole is flawed to begin with and has, over the years, said it all in terms of what the organization thinks of the voice of individuals who make up the organization. It has been, and will continue to be about a small group of people and clubs, until and unless the rest of you speak out.
I know my club is happy we are no longer associated with the United Schutzhund Clubs of America. They could have cared less about us, except for our money and our roster....
I say again, until those of you who realize what has happened here protest in a meaningful manner, meaning leaving the organization, nothing will change. Of course, that is exactly what the powers that be hope for. If, as so often, people only gripe here and do nothing else, nothing will come of it. The powers that be are betting on your lack of action and commitment. This amendment had NOTHING to do with the breed, but everything to do with the personal aspirations of a few.
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