German rules for German Shepherds - Page 14

Samael:
Not change the breed to fit the buyer or ignorantly slap dogs together to mass produce pups fit the demand of the customer.

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by cphudson on 19 July 2013 - 08:39
There is a large active registry in the USA that would work with breed clubs to only provide full registry / litter registration to health check dogs, it's UKC.

You really need these titles to be recorded by a pedigree/health registry that will have a quick way to check like OFFA online. As it is now in the USA they are almost written on the wind, and anyone can have a website saying the dogs have IPO/SchH when they do not.

As i said what about the Dog Pounds; Far better to give them 150 dollars and save a life of a G.S there. and do the BYB out of money; But people will not simply because they think they may be getting something special for little money; and in many cases this is true and that does not only apply to animals. that is why the BYB does such trade, bring in rules and regulations to close them down
Steve1


Steve, we already have rules and regulations that could shut most BYB operations down. In  most States it is illegal to sell puppies under the age of 8 weeks, right?
Most BYB's sell their pups at 6-7 weeks, that is illegal. Fine the living hell out of them! Shut them down!
Use the broad spectrum of the law that is already existing but the counties and cities just don't have the money to enforce the laws as it is. There are so many laws out there already not being enforcable because the money just isn't there, how are new rules and regulations going to change anything?

Those operating outside the law, giving a rats ass about health certification, working abilities etc. will continue to do so and the only breeders getting hurt are those that are operating within the laws and regulations! Those that already spend thousands of dollars on health testing, titling, certifying.
 

gsdstudent, I guess it´s me you refering to and not "joanro", my point is unless the regulations aren´t more ambitious than a breeders personal motivation and goal for a workingdog they don´t mean so much do they? You don´t need a good workingdog to pass a german breedsurvey, and you still can breed a dog even if his relatives have much HD/ED or the dog himself has other problems that aren´t tested for and therefore you need more than a breedsurvey to know about. So unless the regulations are very strict both on workingability and health the breeder in the end has the most impact, and he/she is also depending on the buyers to work and test the dogs to have a clue on how his breeding produce. I suppose that´s why the working malinois is in better "shape" than the majority of GSDs, despite lack of regulations. I guess it´s also not realistic that the regulations can regulate everything so to speak. But sure, HD/ED-checking would be a minimum also in US, but still such requirements are far from telling you much even about the risk of getting HD/ED from a planned breeding



That was exactly my point earlier. The breed survey is no longer a true test and with todays training methods plenty of dogs that should never even come close to passing the breed survey, let alone get a title put on them, are passing with flying colors. The proof is out there and people are blind or just refuse to see it, it's not even funny. Earlier Susie said how someone can say that the test isn't a test.
It isn't a true test anymore if pretty much any dog can pass it.
The thing is, and that is what bugs me the most. We do not need stronger regulations or stricter rules! We already have the regulations and rules that are beneficial to the breed. What we need are judges that will judge the breed for it's intended purpose and not for favoritism or the big bucks! What we need are helpers that are willing to actually test a dog!

My concerns are for all of the GSD data base fans who point out a problem and think they are finished. A korung on paper is a great sanction by the SV. Too many dogs do not meet an ideal and some are ''gifts'' which really is an insult. My belief is you can not get insulted if you are involved and know who you are breeding to because you witnessed the dog in person. I believe that by following the sanctions of the SV as an ideal , you  ''pay it forward '' to this great breed and it's ancestry. Every single ''bad breeder'' is helped when finger pointing is the only method of relief to breed problems.

Gsdstudent, I think you need to make a retraction on your comment about me. I don't live in Germany, what they do is beyond my reach, and my only post on this thead was complementing Baerenfangs' posts. So, back up, please.
Thank you.
Joan

PS. There are no "rules" in this country.

Ah joanro, no rules, so your breeding practice is right. I must go to Lancaster county Pa pup mills to get more familar with no rules as an ideal. I meant no harm a few days back when I mentioned your handle. I am sorry to concern you. I am happy to keep singing the praises of the SV system. I must keep screaming that practice is not theory. If I yell enough maybe a few beginners, novices , or even an established breeder might reevaluate their beliefs. Great debate, Still waiting to hear about a better system in place then the SV korung. I do like the RSV 2000 requirements but since most of the vocal people on this thread and similar subject matter want no rules in place the RSV 2000 is a mute point.

Personally, I do like rules and regulations. I am probably the only person in town that won't cross the street on foot at a red light. Just being realistic about what is possible in the US and what isn't!

The United States is simply too big. The working dog community is declining, the sport is an expensive business and most "normal" people, with a middle class income can't even afford to put a title on their dog and let's not start talking about what it costs to get a dog x-rayed out here. Don't get me wrong. I would never breed with a dog that isn't health tested. And personally I wouldn't breed a dog that "doesn't" have it or has otherwise issues that basically disqualifies them.

In Germany, we paid 100 euros for x-rays, over here it starts at 400-500 dollars just to get the hips x-rayed and tha'ts without OFA!