Milo's Necropsy Report - Page 14

I'm really sorry you had your pup die so early. I would require the first breeder to step up or I'd help them do the right thing by suing them. But this is not why I actually decided to post.

When I first heard "Patchwork Shepherds" a red flag went up. For the life of me I cant remember why. BEFORE I actually bought from them, I would contact "Krazybout k-9's as she does rescue in this area and would know of this kennel.

I went to the website. For the pet trade, I guess they are ok. HOWEVER imo this is a byb. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to breed a female prior to OFA'ing her. If indeed she had prelim xrays done, make the breeder PROOVE it and show you the actual films. What other testing has she done? Your dog just died , i would make damn sure the breeder i chose stood behind what she bred and had the testing to proove it. Im not title crazy but because it didnt seem any of these dogs are worked in any venue, how true to the standard are they breeding? Breeding for size is not breeding to the standard.

The contract states you have to return the dog to the kennel. You didnt mention if they are planning on paying you to do this. I'm guessing no.

I know you think we are picking on this breeder. We are. We want you to buy a dog from someone who breeds within the standard of the  German Shepherd, from stock that has been tested and from a breeder who will be there for you 100%.

This breeder wants you to pay 1000 for a neutered dog on a bitch that hasnt even been OFA'd with no other testing done. You would have a better chance getting a dog from a rescue. Certainly cheaper.

He already bought the new pup. So it looks like some posters just want to crap on him for getting the kind of GSD they don't like. It's too late to "save" him from what they call a "mistake." Nice. Try to make him feel bad about his new pup right after his other pup dropped dead at 6 months. Well at least his dead pup met the standard.

Fact is, I can't find anything bad about Patchwork online. They require a contract that guarantees a replacement pup if any kind of bad health problem comes up. The contract requires the owner to return the pup if the owner decides he doesn't want him any more so the pup doesn't end up in rescue or dead at the dog pound. Patchwork even pays to have the dog shipped back to them if the owner says he wants to find another home for him. The contract also says the breeder gets to take the dog back if the owner doesn't treat him right. The dead pup's breeder didn't have any of this but hey she breeds within the standard.

Most GSD owners want a smart, active, loyal, sane, stable, healthy dog that protects them but still loves their kids and friends. They don't want to do Schutzhund. Why can't people just get the GSD they want and stop telling other people they can't have a different kind of GSD. I sure don't want a crook back GSD that meets the standard but I don't run around telling other people they can't have a GSD like that.

Milo's owner made a smart choice with his new pup. I wish him all the best. I hope he posts lots of pics as the pup grows up.

Oh, dear, that contract might be real comforting to some, and believe me if Mcap is happy with his new pup and the current toss of the roulette ball, I am the last one on this Earth to burst his bubble.

Just let me point out the pointlessness of this particular part of the contract: 

They require a contract that guarantees a replacement pup if any kind of bad health problem comes up.

Oh, let me count the ways this ends up becoming a nightmare.

Add in the next part, and you'll never stand a chance, not if you think it means returning a defective puppy will get you any of your money back. Let me tell you now, it does not.

The contract requires the owner to return the pup if the owner decides he doesn't want him any more so the pup doesn't end up in rescue or dead at the dog pound.

"Why can't people just get the GSD they want and stop telling other people they can't have a different kind of GSD."

Using that logic, why don't we just let everyone decide for him/herself what the definition of an inch or a pound or a gallon is?  Standards exist for a reason.

That contract is a whole lot better than what a lot of breeders that "meet the standard" have. And how many breeders that "meet the standard" give you all your money back if the pup gets a bad health problem. Can you give us a list of the ones that do?

Also can you find any ripoff report or anything like it complaining about Patchwork? Even one? That's what really tells the story.

"Also can you find any ripoff report or anything like it complaining about Patchwork? Even one? That's what really tells the story."

Really?  How?  There are no ripoff reports on me because I don't breed dogs.  Does that make me a good breeder?

You will find long hair, out of standard GSD puppies for sale,  in the advertising section, on the webpage of the highest rated DOG CLUB in the land!

"Using that logic, why don't we just let everyone decide for him/herself what the definition of an inch or a pound or a gallon is?"

Because we all need to talk the same language about physical measurements. But even there we don't all use the same standard, other countries use metric.

But different people need different kinds of GSDs. That's what makes GSDs so great, they do so well at so many different things. Some GSDs guide blind people. Most guide dogs would be crap Schutzhund dogs. Just wondering, do you think GSD guide dogs are mutts that cause the demise of the breed. Other GSDs take down criminals. Others find dope. Others work sheep. Others hang out with mom and the kids and keep them safe. Others do sports.

"Standards are there for a reason."

Whose standard? The American one? The German one? GSD people can't even agree on a standard. No reason why they should.

Go get the GSD you want. But it's a free country and other people can still get the type of GSD they want no matter how much that bothers you. Hope it stays that way.

JonRob, I am being realistic, I thought. If you, (hypothetically) agree that you will never ask this breeder for any of your money back for any reason, then you already have it your way! I just wish "they/breeders' contracts " would just say: No money back, no exceptions, in their contracts, it should really clear things up. IMHO.

Oh, and what's that other part about the breeder "getting" the dog if the "owner" doesn't treat him right? Oh, that one is a landmine in the makling--- really! 

I much prefer to own my dog, not lease it, and I know we both get to make our own choices, not really looking for an argument. You seem to be enjoying your choices, so that works for me.

Mcap I wish only happy days ahead for you and your new pup. Sorry for your loss and trials.

I've been in this breed for a lot longer than Patchwork (apt name, btw) has been alive and you are completely out of your depth in this conversation, JonRob.  Here's a clue for you: buy whatever dog you'd like but understand that people who work their asses off trying their best to preserve the integrity of the breed have every right in the world to criticize those who don't.  You're either part of the problem or part of the solution; when you give your money to these breeders, you are part of the problem.