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Of course noone knows what I'm talking about (lol).    I'm going to respectfully disagree with the above posts though. 

Genetics does play a significant roll determining immunodeficiency and overall health. Colostrum is a perfect example. Ibrahim mentioned fat + volume - sure that's one benefit in a milk production herd - but we are talking breeding animals which means babies and babies need and benefit from colostrum for a reason. That reason is immunities. Colostrum IS a lysozyme and bacteriolytic genetic activity - which means colostrum is a circulating enzyme by molecules or structural gene coding. That I know. (colostrum is NOT milk - just so everyone knows that) Colostrum is a genetically medicated cocktail and only available for a couple hours after delivery. .

That said, haplotypes (alleles on a chromosome) determine aetiological immunities and those genes must be in a heterozygous state for the colostrum to give genetic activity with immunities. This means the chance for immunity compromised offspring is - I almost want to say never, but, let's just say rare for disease.

I'm kinda jumping the gun here to answer questions (DONT anyone try this at home) - because what I said above I'm assuming bad genetics have already been identified and eradicated within a bloodline. If bad genes are present (and the good), matching up alleles like I mentioned could be fatal plus hidden recessives carried to every generation after.

Hexe, I understand why you think that way. I do. But I totally disagree when you say it's all about biosecurity. Sure biosecurtiy is a big deal in an environment, but, it can only grab hold of life that's stressed by depressed immune system or immunodeficiency to begin with. Bruce can only actively infect a weak immune system. Immunities are passed down from one generation to the next - Bruce and Eubac (only 2 examples) can be eradicated in a bloodline. I know this. Otherwise, every bull, cow, rabbit and chicken I take to the Farm Show every year will be coming home with Bruce, Eubac, GI Stasis, Pasteurella whateva. I quarantine for awhile when we get home just for "biosecurity" of my herds and observation of possibles. My lines are resistant to stress related illness by hybrid vigor - all my rabbits, turkeys, cows, bulls and chickens are homozygous by common ancestors and with closed bloodlines by choice.

I would think breeding dogs would be the same way. If I ever do breed my dog, which I prolly won't, but if I did - I would breed the same way in theory as I do my livestock - minus the meat production aspect of course. lol

I think common ancestors should be present in both the sire's bloodline and the dam's bloodline for optimal homozygosity in vigor by way of genetics.

I want to stress DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME ... when you start talking breeding common ancestors in genetics you need to know what your doing or it's grave. I'm sure this is true breeding dogs too.

BE4U, to go any further in this discussion is so off-topic that we might as well be discussing life forms from other galaxies, so I'm just going to leave the subject where it is.  All I will say on the matter is that it is a huge shock to the world as a whole that science has it all wrong, and apparently research scientists don't know a damn thing.

If that's the only way for you to reply to me, fine.

I just wanted to mention on this thread, some buyers (like myself) go much further than phenotypes, titles and promoted "reputable" status breeders.

That is all.  LOL

@Babyeagle4U.....if your formula produces good sound GS, you have my compliments. I know the way I do things will produce good dogs with good health consistently, I know others that I patronize also produce good dogs with different approaches, so I get dogs from them, there's no reason to doubt your way as long as the end product is worthy.   Good Luck!

Yeah, OK. There is a MAJOR difference between being mindful of using only animals with normal, healthy immune systems for breeding stock, and being deluded into thinking that said normal, healthy immune system will ensure that an animal will not succumb to the challenge of a field strain of a species-appropriate infectious-disease causing organism. 

There is NO breeding program in the world, no BLOODLINE of livestock in the world, that is IMMUNE to Brucella spp. which affects their particular species.  NONE.  BE4U, if you're trying to tell us that you have developed a bloodline of cattle which can NOT be infected with Brucella abortus, and which are not vaccinated against the disease, I must insist you provide information as to where the documentation of this research work was done, who the researchers are, and where the papers have been published on the work, because my work with US livestock brucellosis eradication program over the past 22 years has uncovered no such circumstance as you profess to have achieved.

What BE4U is claiming is akin to saying that there is a breeder who has developed a bloodline in GSDs which is IMMUNE to parvovirus, and that healthy pups from this bloodline will never become ill from the disease if exposed to the virus.  To carry that out further, such dogs from such a bloodline would not need to be vaccinated against that disease, either, because they would have no need of acquired immunity--their passive immunity would be sufficient to protect them.

So yes, this discussion is expansively off-topic.

She said resistant, not immune. 

Ahhh you make me sound like some supernatural livestock breeder. LOL

I think it's clear your promoting vaccines instead of herd immunity. For you to say after 22 years of whateva, that Bruce which is naturally carried by a cow or goat or dog or whateva, cannot inherit natural resistance is naive at best. Not everyone is vaccinated for chicken pox ya know.

I think I've said enough (lol) I don't want my animals dead, child bashed, or character assassinated .. so have fun with it.

Sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong,  but isn't
"herd immunity" a direct result of an adequately
vaccinated population ?   

What's for dinner ? Vaccines ? LMAO

OK OK OK I won't say anymore.

I forgot to aedd Christina with Wendelin Farms, Carmen (Carmspack) in canada and Christine with Blackthorn Kennels.  VERY knowledgable people with dogs I'd have no problems getting a pup from.