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by joanro on 29 March 2012 - 16:03
by SitasMom on 29 March 2012 - 16:03
Max died around '36 so if you want to see his final influence in the breed look at the dogs around that time.
He was kicked out of the SV around '32 for not cooperating with the Hitler led German army.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=270345&pagen=8
by djc on 29 March 2012 - 16:03
Pardon me if I misunderstand you, but Read again! What does the last sentence say in your quote? "The back must slope straight down from the withers " Did I say that ANY part of the back should ascend upwards from the withers? I think not. "Broken top line" or not! That sketch does not show the back coming up from the withers. It shows it sloping down from the withers. You tell me WHAT PART OF THIS SKETCH SHOWS ANY PART OF THE BACK ASCENDING UP?!
This is very close to perfect breed standard!!! NOT ROACHED! It is descending not ascending. Looks to me very much like my photos of a bitch consistently described as HAVING A STRAIGHT BACK.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would support the extremes Shaw describes. I've hated them from day one. Yes, it goes on, but rather than boycott the judges, do your research and boycott the breeders breeding these dogs, whether they are top dogs or not!! That's the only way it is going to change. No sales.... they will change their mind. But the thing about that is there will always be a "sucker" around the corner who thinks because a dog wins it's the best there is. One can only try.
Carole,
There was about 1 year's time between the stacks. The first one was taken at the BSZS in 2010 when she was 22 months. The second when she was about 2.5yrs. The gating ones were taken at about 18 months old. She is now almost 3.5yrs. Thank you all for the compliments.
Debby
by Blitzen on 29 March 2012 - 16:03
Thanks, Noddi. She was a really good dog, earned a lot of SV and AKC titles before I got her as my learner dog. I gave her a retirement home. She's the dog in my avatar.
by Rik on 29 March 2012 - 17:03
Some of you have very nice, recognized accomplishments with your dogs. And no matter the venue, represents a serious investment of time and finances. It is fruitless to argue with people whose greatest financial investment in the GSD, after the initial purchase, is a pooper scooper.
And whose time invested in becoming an "authority" is time spent on the internet and the "virtual" GSD, rather than accomplishments with an acutual furry critter.
As for the collection of horrors that some keep of others dogs, shame on you. I am closing in on 30 years with the GSD and I can show both what I consider correct and incorrect from my own dogs, without having to pilfer and slam what others do.
And for the record, there are better sources for explaination/interpretation of the standard than Ms. Shaw. Mr. Donald's article is one of the best I have come across. Fred Lanting's articles are also excellent.
jmo,
Rik
by noddi on 29 March 2012 - 17:03
by SitasMom on 29 March 2012 - 17:03
the dog's back consists of several parts
withers
back
loin
croup
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/structure_information/2.html
http://ranchukitsilano.blogspot.com/2011/10/some-rambling-thoughts.html
links, one can see that the withers are basicly shoulder blades, the back is the area where the backbone is above the ribs, the loin which is inbetween the back and the cropu and the croup is the area above the pelvis.
from what i understand, a roach backed dog has a curvature of the spine where the back and loin meet.
by djc on 29 March 2012 - 17:03
Debby
by Blitzen on 29 March 2012 - 17:03
Do you show at AKC shows?
by Blitzen on 29 March 2012 - 17:03
Rik, one of the posters to this thread is currently engaged in a discussion with Fred about toplines. I hope she will share Fred's comments with us with his permission.
It was good seeing Fred in NC. He still handles a GSD better than men half his age. I wish I could run around the ring as well as he does.
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