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by Blitzen on 24 July 2013 - 22:07
Brrrrrr, poor dogs!
by GSD Lineage on 24 July 2013 - 23:07
I think they have the SV type dogs, then these heavier ones for AKC type show.
. Update: Link to SV Style:
视频: 发现中国－2013年中国涪陵德国牧羊犬繁殖展 SV Style China Show
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by starrchar on 24 July 2013 - 23:07
Oh my! All along I was guessing those dogs were photoshopped and couldn't possibly be real or they were not purebred GSDs, but I guess I was wrong :( Those poor dogs...
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 25 July 2013 - 01:07
My gosh... 
by Sunsilver on 25 July 2013 - 01:07
Blitzen, didn't a well-known breeder show you how he selected for the pups with the loosest joints, because they would have a farther reaching gait, or something like that?
by Hundmutter on 25 July 2013 - 08:07
Well of course we are likely to have heard of many of the kennels
- if not individual dogs - in the ancestry of this particular facet of
the GSD spectrum in China. The gene pool isn't boundless.
What SEEMS to be happening is that a sector of Chinese GSD
'enthusiasts' are getting hooked on this particular 'look'; now these
may be people who prefer the big lippy wrinkly head and larger body
structure, because they are used to seeing those features in other,
Oriental, breeds and are fond of them. They may be selecting for these
features; but are perhaps not 'genuine' GSD people, in the sense of those
who follow the original blueprints of the breed from Max et al, but johnny-
come-lately fashionistas.
They exist in all countries. Probably many ppl said very similar things
back in the early days of GSD acceptance by AKC when the very specific
type that is the ASL GSD was in development ? I know there have always
been ppl over here who vehemently objected to UK 'Alsatians' from their
beginnings.
If the new thred with the SV show in China, with German SV Judges, shows
us anything, it would seem to be that the correct type of dog is being exhibited
at those opportunities, still ;
I don't understand where the (dog Show ?) was happening in Beetree's vid,
but I think most of us would agree many of THOSE dogs had these big heads
[and in some cases, bigger body structure] ... and I think probably most of us
would agree they WERE, anyway and in most ways, NOT GOOD, CORRECT
SPECIMENS OF GSDs - even to a relatively uncritical eye.
Especially the longcoat who was lame !
There are levels of 'good' and 'bad' shown in all countries, in all breeds. These
videos illustrate the difference - whatever one feels about the watering-down of
working ability apparently tolerated by the SV these days.
Shows with less worthy exhibits are likely to be the ones which attract less
experienced judges, less educated owners/breeders. There is a huge amount
of truth in the points zdog made.
JMO
- if not individual dogs - in the ancestry of this particular facet of
the GSD spectrum in China. The gene pool isn't boundless.
What SEEMS to be happening is that a sector of Chinese GSD
'enthusiasts' are getting hooked on this particular 'look'; now these
may be people who prefer the big lippy wrinkly head and larger body
structure, because they are used to seeing those features in other,
Oriental, breeds and are fond of them. They may be selecting for these
features; but are perhaps not 'genuine' GSD people, in the sense of those
who follow the original blueprints of the breed from Max et al, but johnny-
come-lately fashionistas.
They exist in all countries. Probably many ppl said very similar things
back in the early days of GSD acceptance by AKC when the very specific
type that is the ASL GSD was in development ? I know there have always
been ppl over here who vehemently objected to UK 'Alsatians' from their
beginnings.
If the new thred with the SV show in China, with German SV Judges, shows
us anything, it would seem to be that the correct type of dog is being exhibited
at those opportunities, still ;
I don't understand where the (dog Show ?) was happening in Beetree's vid,
but I think most of us would agree many of THOSE dogs had these big heads
[and in some cases, bigger body structure] ... and I think probably most of us
would agree they WERE, anyway and in most ways, NOT GOOD, CORRECT
SPECIMENS OF GSDs - even to a relatively uncritical eye.
Especially the longcoat who was lame !
There are levels of 'good' and 'bad' shown in all countries, in all breeds. These
videos illustrate the difference - whatever one feels about the watering-down of
working ability apparently tolerated by the SV these days.
Shows with less worthy exhibits are likely to be the ones which attract less
experienced judges, less educated owners/breeders. There is a huge amount
of truth in the points zdog made.
JMO
by Blitzen on 25 July 2013 - 09:07
What bothers me is not these specific dogs as much as it is the obvious trend to breed for ponderous, overdone dogs - more stop, shorter muzzles, domed heads, dish faces and overdone bodies with short legs, roachy backlines and froggy rears. Look at some of the other photos in this thread, those dogs are V rated. What will the Sieger look like in 2025?
SS that breeder said he selected for a lot of angulation in his puppies and didn't mind loose hocks because most of his dogs "out grew" that and ended up with good rears. Judging by the dogs I've seen that he bred I'd have to say he was right.
SS that breeder said he selected for a lot of angulation in his puppies and didn't mind loose hocks because most of his dogs "out grew" that and ended up with good rears. Judging by the dogs I've seen that he bred I'd have to say he was right.
by Blitzen on 25 July 2013 - 11:07
For comparison the head of a "giant malamute" the result of generations of selecting for over size and blocky heads.
by SitasMom on 25 July 2013 - 12:07
add to that, narrow bodies and horrible cow hocks!
IMO, loose hocked puppies shouldn't be considered as breeding prospects. puppies sound from a 6 weeks and stay that way into adulthood.
IMO, loose hocked puppies shouldn't be considered as breeding prospects. puppies sound from a 6 weeks and stay that way into adulthood.
by Hundmutter on 25 July 2013 - 12:07
Re the loose skin, 'connective tissue disorder' appearance, a further
thought is that we have had occurrences of Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome
in the breed before - I wonder if there is any connection ?
thought is that we have had occurrences of Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome
in the breed before - I wonder if there is any connection ?
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