German rules for German Shepherds - Page 10

And you know what I get tired of hearing. "JUST A PET" or "Breeding just for pets".
Doesn't a pet buyer work just as hard for the money they make as a person who is buying a dog for sport?
Isn't the family that spends their hard earned money for a fanily companion/protdction prospect entitled to the same well bred, quality dog as the one that wants to do sport and claim a prize?
Which dog "usually" has a better quality of life? The one that gets "taken out" to be worked, than put away till you have the time to "work" your dog again, or the one that remains out, doing the 24/7 job he was originally obtained for.
Everyone, diehard "Max" says, oh, he would be rolling in his grave if this, or if that...
Max said, "he never met a German Shepherd that did not love kids", Max said, "the Germa. Shepherd will be ruined, WHEN they are kept kenneled"....
Yes, myself(and I am sure many others that breed, if honest) do send most of my puppies to the dreaded pet hone.
Do I care what I produce? I most certainly do. If I did not, I certainly would not have invested what I have in the dogs I do gVe and provide quality, "pets"

When can we expect your next litter of Blues?

i know a polish woman who has at least 5 kids,( maybe 6  i lose count :) ) her husband is gone a lot driving truck.  She raises them, shows them, and sometimes trains with a club and a lot of times trains herself.  She's raising a family, and a damn fine one at that, and training not one dog, but often 2,3,4 at a time AND getting their show ratings (even workingline) AND titling them beyond schh I.  So if you're not titling at least some of your dogs, you're just making excuses and when you get too caught up in your own little world, the rest of it passes you by.  That goes for everything, not just dogs.

  My husband is a SPC in the Military. I'm being realistic and will not threaten our future and go bankrupt over titling a dog. Maybe I'll have a chance now that I found a club within an hour distance but I still have no tracking land and I won't be driving 2 hours to do so. I've put over 10k in one dog and threatened our financial situation and it certainly won't happen again. That money could have gone into savings because we won't get any younger and no one, these days, can afford to live paycheck to paycheck. So being realistic and living WITHIN YOUR MEANS isn't making excuses, it's a necessity!

Everyone needs to decide for themselves what they are willed to sacrifice. But I'm certainly not willed to sacrifice our financial freedom to put a piece of paper on my dog. That piece of paper is not as important as our livelyhood. Maybe one day the military will send us somewhere like Ft.Hood where there are good clubs available. But as of right now, it's just not something I can do. Yeah, I've got awesome dogs and a phenomenal female and it sucks because I would love to be out and about, work and compete. I've made my freedom with the situation as it is. I'm no longer stressing over a title. If we do, nice, if we don't... who cares.

Baerenfangs Erbe, are you a breeder?

Thinking about it.

Kitkat, somebody sniped at you about getting Blues, above;
that was unfair  (funny, but unfair).   I don't read into your
post that you are defending the sort of breeder I am always
moaning about !   There is clearly nothing wrong with breeding
any dog that will make a great companion as well as a good
or better specimen of its breed, trying for breedworthy and capable
of work, sport, and/or being Shown as an excellent example to
follow.  That's what everyone should aim for, IMO.  But when we
speak about ppl who deliberately breed - usually in high numbers -
"just for pets"  that's not what most of us are referring to.  Yes,
there is just as much hard physical graft going into the production
of pure pets - assuming the stock isn't actually being neglected,
as well - but that's really the extent of the similarity.  Ppl who can
only see the dollar signs don't spend much money on certificating
the health of their stock; or sport training their stock.   They don't
really care what may lurk underneath, as long as what they produce
is reasonably good natured and eg has the coat colour they are producing.
No, I don't know how we can make some 'codeword' that will define
Pet Breeding from breeding for pets-as-well, wish it was that easy.

workingdogz
an excellent post and also from Susie
I have been going on about this same thing now well back when i stopped posting for nearly two years? Nothing has changed and nothing will change the Glasses on some get Rosier by the Year and they will find new excuses for not testing there dogs, and Breeding Dogs for Temperament and working under stress and pressure. I saw a case of this only a week or so ago with a SL dog at our club the handler has been there about 6 to 8 times; and decided to join the group to train for B.O.P, you normally train in a line to start then in a group. Her Dog could not handle being in with other dogs, it barked and snapped? The owner could not understand why as it had never showed it before but the dog was being put under a little pressure and stress and it could not take it. The Guys will work on it and help the handler to see if things change. no one will give up on the Dog and handler but it is not yet ready for what was asked of it.
However you will never convince those who know the truth but will always come up with an answer not to do anything. as i said many times; It takes Money to do it and a lot of time and effort from the handler 7 days a week in all weathers Rain Sun Snow even Winter Tracking goes on in the dark nights of Winter by use of a small light fixed to a hat and the use of Motorway car lights to help out but it never stops, It does not have to be IPO but some other work where the dog can get it down in print that it has passed this or that and has passed a temperament test and been put under pressure and handled it okay? But hell that will be some of the profits gone.

Kit Kat
You are going against what you once tried if my memory serves me right, Did you not train and enter a dog in a BH some time back. it matters not that you failed the test that is no slight on you or the dog because we all fail sometimes, but it seems by your posts you yourself gave up on it completely. Yet you are saying in effect it counts for little or nothing. It is far harder to give up on things you fail at once, than to work and fight to achieve them. read the above bottom bit the dog is never waiting to be taken out it gets far more work than a Couch or house Dog;
first a walk to warm up then it does a Tracking phase then Obedinence and Block work. then perhaps it will run the Blinds and do a little Protection and that is 5 days a week and 2 days a week working proper at the club. so a working dog does just that it works 24-7 with just the odd day off or less if the dog is female and when she is heavy in season the work is cut back until she is feeling better. If the weather is really hot then the work is cut back or done much later in the evenings when it has cooled down but only then, the dog is lean, Fit and ready for anything. i am a hard man to convince when it comes to excuses for not doing this or that. i could not accept excuses from myself when i was younger and had to do what i was going to do otherwise i was not happy and it would keep reminding me i guess being  guilty of copping out , so certainly i find it hard to take from others
Steve1

There is a large active registry in the USA that would work with breed clubs to only provide full registry / litter registration to health check dogs, it's UKC. 
UKC regularly works with other breed clubs to enforce monitory health checks / performance titles in order to earn titles or get full registration. Maybe UScA & GSDCA should form a partnership with UKC. People will soon learn the breeders that adhere to the stricter guidelines of UKC can get better quality dogs over AKC only breeders. People can still register with AKC but also do a dual registry with UKC. Another plus is UKC recently changed the GSD breed standard to not promote extreme confirmation; ​http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Breeds/HerdingDog/GermanShepherdDog05012012


 

I am in no way saying that working for and titleing a dog counts for nothing. I really and truly wish that I was successful at my first attempt at sch.
I truly feek that I let my boy Duke, (my kevin murrtal son) down. He not only was bred for greatness, HE had the capabilities to go far.
If you knew the dog, you could see he had(has) the potdntial to be every bit as great as his father and grandfather
I had a very hard time dealing with the attitude(s) of some of the sch people.
I mean really, just look at some of the mean and hurtful things that are done and said through not onpy this board, but even amingst REAL sportsmen, not keyboard experts,.
I don't like people like that(look at just for example the infighting between two different clubs, the shit with the missing Hex dog, and even the shit slkngers abiut Bomber and Parrish)(I am the kind of person that WILL give someone a punch in the nose)
Since the days of my blue dogs, and once again, I MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR THEM, I have expanded my knowledge of the breed, I DO test my dogs, and I AM going back to sch training with my Bomber pup.
Do I breed strictly for pets, NO I don't. Do moee go for pets, yes, they do.
Anytime I have pups, I am hoping at least one will make it for police work, and I DO give for free, the dogs that go that way.(I have one on active duty, rarger successful, despite the "red flags", and two that are in training).
I promote sports to buyers, and offer a second dog free, if you have success with a title to the first one.(I have 2 women training for that now. The free dog was the incentive to try schutzhund in the first place.
I can only hope that this time around I will be successful.
As soon as my little Ember gets a little older, high ho,high ho, off to training we will go!
I have someone with a dog that is goibg to do it with me this time.
Why should I NOT be able to raise German Shepherds, to step aside for those that just bdcause they title their dogs, and produce 15-20 litters a year, does not mezn they are producing better dogs than I.
FOR Christs sake I have the dxact same dogs and bloodlines. Only difference, MY dogs ain't warehoused in outdoor kennels, taken out and put away with and like any other sport apparatus.
My dogs live "with me", I know my dogs. You can't tell me, every pup that all the "top" breeders are breeding, go into wofking homes.
Or that these people are not breeding untitled dogs.
Shit, a couple that swear "I never", actually does.
And Linda, what, might I ask, do you fibd amusing about bigstouts, ignorznt, outdated remark abiut the blues? IT just adds to ignorance, a big mouth, on anither "man"(and I use the term loosely, with little man syndrome.

Kit kat
i here the one thing from you which is out of order completly, You keep refering to Dogs who live outdoors in a Kennel as a bit of apparatus meaning as you say trained and put away. When will you realise that some people think it healthier for a Dog to live outdoors than in a house built for humans. Dogs are NOT humans they will adapt to human ways but still they are animals and the best thing for animals to keep them in good health is Fresh Air; So long as the Kennel is dry and comfortable they do well. it is when the shelter is damp without ventliation you get problems
I have trained and kept dogs for around 65 years and every one has lived a life outdoors and never a skin or coat problem the youngest died at 14.5 years old the oldest 16.5 years old. My dogs are working dogs they love to work but that does not mean they are not family Dogs or part of a family even if they live outdoors and here is a Pic to prove it which has been on here before unfortunatly i cannot show the pic as it is too big on my documents folder and will not take on here; But is one of Gina with the little Girl astride her back when she is laying down? A kennelled serious Working Dog who,s temperament is such it will allow Children to do as they want and be part of it. Play and then go into its Home = Kennel to relax afterwards
Steve1