2013 AWDF trial Ivan/Ebor protection - Page 10

My advice? Out of one shitty video? Are you kidding?

Okay, visible for me - a dog that didn´t even try to launch, on one pic you are able to see the dog´s hindquarters in the air, the frontquarters in the ground - absolutely wrong - and a nightmare for any helper.

Edit - this one:

My last comment on this...

Forget about the screen shots since you "experts" don't want to believe your own eyes.
Watch the last 20 seconds of the video and the expression on both Marcus and Ivans faces.
They both know it was a bad catch that cost Ivan/Ebor the Championship. The rest of you can continue to make excuses and try to blame the dog and insult the messengers.

Thomas Barriano

Susie,

No need to edit anything. What you see is a dog ready to launch trying to readjust since the sleeve has moved.

Thomas 

Again show the frames before this when the sleeve was low and the helpers knees were bent .. this frame shows how much he jerked the sleeve up .. Ebor is trying to adjust to a sleeve being jerked straight up from a low position .. the helper must give the dog a stable level as the dog approaches .. Ebor was ready to bite the sleeve where it was a millisecond earlier and now he is forced to try and adjust to the helpers poor positioning and presentation.  Show all not just a single frame .. it was posted earlier but apparently you can't see those frames .. just the one you like.

Thomas is right about the expressions on their faces .. I saw that right off to .. Ivan won't even look at the helper at the stick exchange while the helper tries to make eye contact and clearly knows he just screwed up.

so, in a nutshell we have a guy that complains about EVERYTHING, in fact there's a video from just a couple weeks ago with him complaining to a judge on the field during a competition, and another guy that has done nothing ever showcasing their opinion.  Meanwhile a couple helpers, a couple competitors, national level competitors, a helper that has worked a BSP etc all say nobody was wrong, it was just unfortunate.  Can we call it a wrap?  First it was the helper turned to early, we can see that clearly wasn't the case, then the sleeve moved too much :) that's rich.  if anything the pics show the opposite of what was being said, again pointed out by someone that actually does helper work.  Now it's moved on to "a bad catch" because nobody is going to call it beautiful.    

Keep on keepin on guys, your dogs love you for it.  See you on the trial fields..... LOL

Z:

      I,m pretty sure you won,t ever have that meeting! "On the trial field"

 

Here is the complete post that some folks are cherry picking an image out of to make a point. 

It is dishonest to just post the second or third image without the initial image showing the low and/or late presentation that screwed up Ebor's targeting.   

The best of helpers make mistakes, it is part of the sport.  As I said over on WDF, if this was just a generic YouTube post and not Marcus/Ivan in the AWDF 2013, folks would just call it as it is, a poor initial presentation by the helper (low or late...or both) for a fast dog and a subsequent blown catch.    As someone pointed out over there, you can see the look on Marcus' face when Ivan arrives for the transport.  He is already beating himself up over this.  

******(by msheplak on 08 June 2013 - 19:21)*****
This is a blurry screen shot, but it seems to show that the helper's initial presentation is too low (~ belt level). 



Ebor takes another step, likely targeting the low sleeve. 

The helper pops stands taller and pops the sleeve high causing the dog to come underneath.



Once presented, the level of the sleeve should not change elevation, period. 

Yes, I realize that this is a bang-bang event, but the helper didn't provide a consistent target for this particular dog. 
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and why do you take one image out of a sequence to try and prove a point?  There is no presentation really, there isn't any requirement at that point.  There isn't any stick raised, there is nothing. This isn't a club trial and you don't need to set up for a catch with a dog 15 feet away Do YOU do helper work?  Have you ever had  a judge tell you to "run through" a dog?  

Good for you, posted this sequence and another dog that is a full 6-8 feet closer, a full run stride length at least as your comparison.  It helps if you at least compare with the dogs at the same distance, but anyway I think it's silly to disect a catch frame by frame.  Things are moving awfully quick and the dog certainly didn't put him in a good position.  You think nothing changes in that time frame?  You can tell by subsequent images a lot does and did, and showed a couple things.  #1 he did not turn early, and more importantly, the dog had a target and ample opportunity for a grip and he missed it.  stuff happens.  


and quit making up rules to fit your argument if Marcus had not done what he had done, there's a good likelihood both he and/or the dog get injured.   The video shows that as well, but I guess you have to actually know what you're looking at.  and if you want to bring up what most over there at the WDF brought up, almost everyone, save for you and the resident whiner, ALL said it was good helper work, GET OVER IT!

All said it is what it is and that was a blown presentation and catch .. get over it!!  The helped did a lot of other ones great (just not Ebor) so he get's a 95 and not 100.  The pathetic people are the ones trying to blame the dog for a helpers mistake which is how this thread started with you Zdog and Nance swearing it was all just fine but in reality it was not and it never will be no matter how many times you twist and warp the facts.