showline bred with workingline - Page 10

I absolutely agree.  As I said earlier, I am all for mixing them again.  I think both sides are in desperate need of this.  As the lines become more and more extreme it is becoming all too obvious.

I've seen an instance or two of handler aggression, though it's certainly an uncommon trait. I wouldn't condone it in any breed, and it's my belief that it's primarily a learned behavior.

maywood, what's your experience with workingline dogs? Do you find they tire easily, or are you just quoting something you've read?

Back to crossing the two, I'll ask yet one more time; what is the workingline going to gain that it doesn't already have?  If you want to stay on topic, there you have it.  Just answer the friggin question!  By crossing, you temporarily will lose consistency, and with much diligence that can be overcome, but why in the first place?  Or if I put the same question another way; what do you fear to lose from the showline blood?  The whole advantage of breeding from a "bloodline" (whatever your goals may be) becomes weakened.

Well, the whole concept of showline vs workingline is one of those who need to differentiate their product to be able to sell it.  Breeders on both sides have used the split to their benetit and the detriment of the breed.  If you get down to it, Working lines actually benefited from the infusion of DDR and Czech bloodlines that had been kept separate from West German strains by the Cold War.  If I were to have the money to go into a well researched effort at breeding a GSD to its pre-split characteristics, I'd probably try to avoid dogs that were bred to either SL or WL types currently in vogue in the West.  The DDR/Czech dogs, although they have their origins in mostly West German stock, are closer to the GSD's of the 1960's.

As to what the present day SL's can bring to a breeding, the simple fact that it would provide genetic breadth to the breed should be enough.  Granted, some may think that SL GSD's are not up to snuff, but there have been crosses between WL and SL dogs that have been successful.  Otherwise, the GSD will end up sounding like a Jeff Foxworthy punchline... Where all GSD's are tightly interrelated.

wow still going.  My dog is better then your dog, my dog is better then your dog...nanananana.

Give it a rest.  Enjoy what you have. 

Or, do we differentiate our bloodlines to identify with the people that wish to buy them?

Personally, I like the gsd's of the 1910's and 1920's, and rather we could go back to a time well before the "split".

I'm for crossing separate lines, when each is able to offer something in return, and doesn't compromise too much.  I like some of the old border patroll ddr/czech crosses that were done, and see further advantage to crossing those with the west german sporting lines.  There's your genetic diversity, from three separated working populations.

Dary,

I understand why you did not want to comment on Triumph's Gucci.   You have some nice looking sport dogs.  I look forward to hearing how they do.  There are breeders and "breeders" out there. Too many don't study and learn before they get into making puppies and see $$ signs. They think they can be Karl Fuller over night because they have a V rated dog paired with a VA rated dog etc etc. I hear it from all sides, folks making puppies over "ball drive" WTH. There is you issue if you want to critize.

I will spare the photos of the dog types I prefer doing schutzhund, their scores, and more stories. They are there for all sides because poop happens. I would suggest you take the time to see what is going on with other bloodlines and make your comments based on that. Yep there is some poor bite work at sieger shows and there is some world class too. I guess every dog does not score 100 100 100 every time they go out.

Some of these what you call "show" dogs have their HGH, Show training V rating, then they get the Sch. title, kore report. Anyone who has accomplshed this knows this is a quality all around dog with a lot of time invested . You are right when you say "what else would it need" what could another line bring to it. Just don't dismiss structure in your comments, as it is part of the program.

Thanks for suppporting GSD's with such passion. What I see is different bloodline and types, but they are all German Shepherd Dogs to me. They all have their qualities and opportunites. However, when they all come together we get some very special dogs to see, hear and read about.

If showlines had been linebred/inbred on the Lierbergs or Mutz v Peltzierferm for the past thirty five years, I think you would probably see less of a reluctance for working people to mix the lines, JMO.

I would suggest you take the time to see what is going on with other bloodlines and make your comments based on that. Yep there is some poor bite work at sieger shows and there is some world class too.
 

Can you point me the way?  Who do you think really stands out, that might change a workingline breeder's perceptions?

to your point in an earlier post.  You have never looked.   I would start there.   I am not suggesting you change, but expand your experience in seeing what is out there.   Just take a look.  I am sure you will laugh at some and be impressed by others. 

Enjoy you dogs!

Start where!?  All the videos I've seen do not impress.  Show me where these world class performances are at the siegers, give me some names.  I'm not at all being hardheaded, but you're being awefully vague.