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by GSDPACK on 17 February 2014 - 22:02
Sitas mom.. not sure if you "working" her in prey is the same as her being worked by decoy in prey equals the same result. I don;t think she is going to have a problem with that. She probably needs to grow mentally into her own skin and go from there. It is OK sometimes to do only runaways and short side bites.
If you meant the decoy is gonna play with her with toys and balls not sure if a back tie would be of any reasoning unless you cant hold on to her. The decoy is going to have two ball game with her? Maybe?
I don;t think it is you who is getting civil drive out of her, it is him/her/ helper who creates the pressure she feels is threatening a lot to her.
But again as many said, video would be a good look into the drives.
If you meant the decoy is gonna play with her with toys and balls not sure if a back tie would be of any reasoning unless you cant hold on to her. The decoy is going to have two ball game with her? Maybe?
I don;t think it is you who is getting civil drive out of her, it is him/her/ helper who creates the pressure she feels is threatening a lot to her.
But again as many said, video would be a good look into the drives.
by vk4gsd on 17 February 2014 - 22:02
".....than all this prey monger crap..."
i am noticing this trend that prey is somehow an inferior drive. i used to have such thoughts when i really had absolutely no idea as well. now i have evolved to something just slighly above no idea at all i see how much BS all this civil defensive blah blah crap is for a bite trained dog.
assuming all dogs in the work have good nerves then give me they high prey dog any day - will be a more verstaile (= dog searching for the man), useful and relliable dog that will still be in the fight long ofter yr defensive dog has bailed (= man searching for his dog).
PREY IS THE WAY.......assuming the nerves are good.
i am noticing this trend that prey is somehow an inferior drive. i used to have such thoughts when i really had absolutely no idea as well. now i have evolved to something just slighly above no idea at all i see how much BS all this civil defensive blah blah crap is for a bite trained dog.
assuming all dogs in the work have good nerves then give me they high prey dog any day - will be a more verstaile (= dog searching for the man), useful and relliable dog that will still be in the fight long ofter yr defensive dog has bailed (= man searching for his dog).
PREY IS THE WAY.......assuming the nerves are good.
by Koach on 17 February 2014 - 23:02
If you include in nerves "thresholds" then I say Amen to your quote.PREY IS THE WAY.......assuming the nerves are good.
If it's 90F+ outside and a child is lost bring me the trained dog with the most desire (drive).
by Hired Dog on 17 February 2014 - 23:02
VK, while a dog will work happily in prey all day, it is defense that adds the seriousness to the bite and the situation we are facing.
Keep in mind as well that you have little choice as to what drive the dog will be in during a real engagement and train right.
Again, prey makes for a happy biting dog, but, a guy on meth at 2:30 AM may need a little more...
Keep in mind as well that you have little choice as to what drive the dog will be in during a real engagement and train right.
Again, prey makes for a happy biting dog, but, a guy on meth at 2:30 AM may need a little more...
by vk4gsd on 17 February 2014 - 23:02
OK then will y'all tell me what drive you think this dog i am a big fan of is in. green dog now sold to a police dept in US. the vid i wanted to post i think is taken down from his intial testing, his raw aggression in that vid would turn yr stomach, prolly why it dissapeared.
had people/experts tell me this is JUST a prey/sport dog in play mode that would not handle pressure.,,,sure, i can see that, not.
had people/experts tell me this is JUST a prey/sport dog in play mode that would not handle pressure.,,,sure, i can see that, not.
by duke1965 on 18 February 2014 - 06:02
Im not sure I would want to walk in the forest with himat night, doesnot look too confident to me, I would ay if he had the hoice between te jacket and the man , he would go for the jacket,
the problem for me is not preydrive, the problem for me is ONLY preydrive without courage or civil and unfortunately that is what we see a lot lately
the problem for me is not preydrive, the problem for me is ONLY preydrive without courage or civil and unfortunately that is what we see a lot lately
by Hundmutter on 18 February 2014 - 07:02
Just from observing the dog in vk4's 2 videos, I'd say Kimo is
definitely not 'playfully engaged', he really means to kill that
... suit.
The thing that most worries me about it is the thing that always
bothers me when I see similar performances - he is no longer a
little pup but he has still not been taught a good Out. A dog who
has to have his collar twisted to shut off his airway because he
is too far 'into' the bite to take notice of a command - that, to me,
is a dog which is a liability, in sports or PP/real life.
definitely not 'playfully engaged', he really means to kill that
... suit.
The thing that most worries me about it is the thing that always
bothers me when I see similar performances - he is no longer a
little pup but he has still not been taught a good Out. A dog who
has to have his collar twisted to shut off his airway because he
is too far 'into' the bite to take notice of a command - that, to me,
is a dog which is a liability, in sports or PP/real life.
by Keith Grossman on 18 February 2014 - 15:02
I'm not so concerned about a police dog being reluctant to out but all of the growling while he's engaging the bad guy does not scream confidence to me.
by VonIsengard on 18 February 2014 - 15:02
Not every dog growls for the same reason. Some do it from excitement.
by Keith Grossman on 18 February 2014 - 16:02
Not what I'm seeing there.
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