Best Working Line Breeders - Page 9

The only thing the GSD breed needs saving from is the IPO idiots that think biting is more important than a dog with a good head and a good heart.  Biting has nothing to do with a dog being great or even good.

"The only thing the GSD breed needs saving from is the IPO idiots that think biting is more important than a dog with a good head and a good heart.  Biting has nothing to do with a dog being great or even good.'

Really? It's a great big part of a protection dog.

Bubba, several people including me tried to explain before...
You are able to find dogs within any breed with a " good head " and a " good heart ", but only a few breeds are capable for protection work ( be it sport or real work ).
A German Shepherd used for breeding needs ALL OF IT.
Honestly, how do YOU select ( drives, agression, sturdiness, temperament as a whole, conformation - all the traits written down in the standard of this particular breed ) ?
 

Horse sh*t .. not all GSD are protection dogs .. very few IPO dogs ever do any real protection work because most of them couldn't.  German shepherds are utility dogs and biting is one small part of what any individual dog needs in it's tool kit.  Work is not synonymous with biting.

I didn´t know we are talking about horses, but in this case you are right. I don´t like snappy horses, too.

is anyone really surprised that one who has exhibited over and over and over again to be as dimwhited as one can be and still function in society, has absolutely zero grasp or knowledge on the history of the German Shepherd or the importance of the bite in these types of herding dogs, has nothing to say of any importance again on the matter?  Big surprise, he doesn't understand it.
 

 Most breeders do not breed for the standard, they breed for what the buyers want. Most can not better the breed for free. They have to sell puppies and or dogs to support this dog habat.

Paul, truer words were never spoken!   That's the sad thing. Everyone wants the extremes, or the latest flavour of the month.

IPO is really just a very complex set of obedience exercises.  Even bitework is really OB, but OB in high drive.  Without obedience you don't have a GSD as they were developed to work for people.  I'm simplyfiying to make my point.  Yes utility is what a GSD is and the biggest part of that is the ability ~and willingness~ to learn and take consistent direction from the owner/handler/family.  IMO what makes a GSD what it is, is the desire to learn from and work for it's owners.  Whether that's IPO, agility, herding, tracking, or real life protection work.

I think a lot of people miss the point of the utility of the GSD. Within the breed it should be able to do most everything. Military dog, Police dog, Herding dog, guide dog, junk yard dog, sport dog, and yes a pet, But few to none can do it all. But within the breed they can. Many years ago many were bred and trained to keep people in. (East German and Czech) A total different type of dog. But they were developed to do a little of everything. Personally I like one type of dog and others like something else, but if we breed to the standard the breed will survive.

It does take extremes to keep a balanced breed, or it just gets more and more watered down. In all reality we need to breed the best and cull the rest, and when pets can't breed only quality dogs will reproduce. But that will never happen. The SV tried.

Paul