Who else likes, V3 Cello von der Römerau? - Page 3

This is a VERY INFORMATIVE BASHING, I may say... No personal grudges though... We are all here for the knowledge being shared...

djc,

once again you set yourself up for negativity. Before I go on I have to tell you that I do like the type your old male represents, really nice! Out of curiosity: Why did you never get him surveyed? It should have not been difficult. As to your young male: Fine, I will look forward to your dog Apoll being the 2009 Universal Sieger or a successful participant in both. No, he will never be a VA-dog and I see that you went ahead and erased that remark from your website as well that he is going to be campaigned in Germany in 2006/07. What happened? It did not work out? Coincidently, does he have an a-stamp as well? Because if not, he was obviously used for breeding long before his hip certification was done. At a tender 14 months of age! Didn't anybody tell you that the SV has a regulation on a male to be 24 months of age before he can be used for breeding? Oh no, wait you told somebody else who pointed that out to you before that you do not feel bound by SV rules since you live in the U.S. You only use these regulations when they are convenient for you or your kennel business. Your policy states that you only accept females with hip ratings and "at least a SchH1 would be nice", but you turn around and offer a male at stud who does not have a title and at the time his first couple of litters were whelped, did not have a hip rating either. None of your own females are titled, only the one you have "on lease". You expect high standards from breeders who are interested in your males as studs, but yet you fail to utilize these same standards for your own breeding program. But to each his own! Yes, I am a "traditionalist" when it comes to SV rules and regulations, until somebody can proof to me that there is a better system in place. But to each her own! Good luck with your program, and no, there is no need to explain here why you did these litters and that your male had excellent prelims etc. etc. Save that breath for your puppy buyers and clients! I won't say anything else about this subject.

I have mentioned it before but if you do not think that your posts were rude when I would strongly suggest a crash course in "Social Skills 101". Your tone and choice of wording causes this kind of reaction, djc! Remember the past posts with the arguing over naming rights and the inquiry about charging more for full registration? And no, I usually never get involved in that but you provoked me this time. Yes, when I get provoked I can be a "real piece of work", just ask my husband! LOL! Oh BTW, he wants to know where the cronies are who fall to my feet and worship me!

Chris

 Go Chris!!

Well, I guess Ill sneak in and say   I have Cello paired with V Ola vom Hasenborn to give VA3 Hoss the priveledge of Miss  V1 Jada vom Steffen Haus that produced the mom of my boy   Dieter....quite a head strong hard boy with no roach and straight back and a bit of an arrogant lad.....great ear set and he has one flaw that bothers me  ,,,his tail is not quite long enough   ....so as a flaw to someone.....

Tony Brezel emailed me a day or two ago, on a research of mine to a female bred to his v rated stud, and he wrote back to me to say

Quote " As you probably know,,,the female of the puppies contributes over  70% of what the pups turn out to be"     so the above poster....can put another check mark in that statement coming from a well know breeder of the showlines in our USA SV world.

And Jada of course is out of  VA1 Fanto vom Hirschel and V Quinte vd Burg Reichenstein 

Lots of good info here..and lots of study to do  on lines ...and what comes out of these combinations...

ah me beauty i love it when you share. your t' apple in me eye. i'll skin alive any scurvy dog like little timmy helser that tries t' steal your affection. rosey let's get together and haul some keel. Ya know, darlin’, I’m 97 percent chum free.

Yellowrose, if you are interested in more of Mutz and his descendants, go visit the "showcase of important dogs" on www.GSDWorld.net. Toby has written a lot there as well, including a video clip on VA-Fando Suedblick. We also have an essay there on Vello Sieben-Faulen and the B-litter von Lierberg. With the colder season approaching, I have to take the time and write more.

Chris

Silbersee:   look at my Bears pedigree     got Mutz   stacked on the Monteforthalle top twice    no Cello on this pedigree. I havent looked at the site yet u posted  ,  Im studying my pedigrees   for the 20000 time     .....

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/499067.html

Hi Yellowrose,

your male has an interesting pedigree of a combination of show and workinglines. Pending on your preferences, I would either pair him up with a tightly linebred showline female (either Ursus or Dux) or try to find a connection to another Arek Stoffelblick line (if your preference is working). When I did my research for my workingline litter in Germany, I was told by a lot of people that you can't go wrong with a linebreeding on Arek. Well, this litter is now 6 weeks old and I really like them a lot.

As to the statement about the mother contributing 70% to the puppies, that is only true for temperament and behaviour since she raises the litter. We had that kind of discussion on a German board a while ago and a couple of people in the research field jumped in and called it a big old wife's tale. Both parents contribute 50% genetically or better said, equally since all genes are paired up with a matching counterpart on that ladder. Well, it did make sense to me.

Chris

Oh Dear. I should stay out of this, but I for one have a lot of respect for Silbersee and Chris' breeding program, history, knowledge of the breed, etc... So-o-o, at the risk of being flamed to blackened soot... Here goes...

Hmmmm... After all the intense discussion on bloodlines above, then looking at the Castlebrook website, why am I not noticing a distinct, well-thought-out  "plan" in this person's breeding program, let alone any notworthy working accomlishments?

No breeding program is without faults and we all have our setbacks, but the key to overcoming it without negativity is "being humble".

I might know someone who would call breeding EXCLUSIVELY untitled, unsurveyed females, often to untitled, EXCLUSIVELY UNSURVEYED males, year after year, something of a "setback"... but most good breeders I know would offer a less attractive description.  What happened with Yentel? Nicely bred dog: no titles, bred how many times? to whom? WHY???

Unfortunatly many German show line dogs are rushed through their titles and this in my
opinion is one of the biggest hinderences in German show line dogs not doing well in simple
bitework testing. It is a shameful thing as many good dogs are wasted with poor rushed training

Oh, I get it. You just don't want to RUSH her. She's only 6 years and 4 mos. old... Plenty of time to title her before she retires from... what?

I for one am working on putting my show dog lineup for '08 together at this time.  djc need not worry about hearing from me. Chris, on the other hand...  ;)

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