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by Shtal on 05 December 2011 - 04:12
Mark 6:1-6
1 And he “Jesus” went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
My topic today Jesus could not. Let me explain this story in more depth. Jesus went around different villages/city and gave teaching but sometimes he went to his own village/country where he was born and raised.
And how it was commonly for human adult that could read in synagogue: Book of Luke possibly that talk about same event or similar event; it is written that they gave him book of Prophet Isaiah. And he opened and read – spirit of the Lord is upon me. And so indeed what people hear and say about him of how he speaks or what and how he speaks – they were marvelled about three things.
First of all - the words of grace that was coming out from his mouth – because he spoke as like authority but not like scribes and Pharisees; they were simply marvelled of his wisdom and they were marvelled of his power that was lay/fulfill through his activity/actions. They did understood that what he speaks and how he speaks and how he does which presents divinity power, wisdom and authority that comes from origin of divinity; and they were marvelled. In book of Luke which is written that they acknowledge/confirm the truth about him and what I quote it from Bible. (And they marvelled the grace that was coming out from his mouth.)
And they were asking three questions? Where this is from that what he has, his wisdom, power and authority. But notice they were also asking different questions; who he is? Really who he is? They say - but he is just a carpenter, son of carpenter. His four brothers among us and two sisters, and his mother among us too; he is just a carpenter and son of carpenter. Who he is? And it is written that they were offended “lure” at him or in other words “lure” did not count him who he really was. And interesting moment resulting from all this: Book of Luke I’ am commentary paralleled with book of Mark. The words that are written he “Jesus” couldn’t make any miracles their: Jesus couldn’t.
First thing I would like to say what I believe; I believe that Jesus is God who appeared in flesh. And I confess that this is pre eternity word of God; which was created everything in heaven and the earth, visible and not visible. I acknowledge and believe that he is the one who was given to him every kind of authority in heaven and an earth; I confess that he is Son of God – born from God. And it was given to him every-kind authority including authority over illness. And it is also written that Jesus couldn’t, please notice here that he “Jesus” did not say he didn’t wanted it but he simply couldn’t. First I though the problem with translation, the word itself (Jesus couldn’t) sounds like almost sacrilegious. What is interesting that translation is in order; there is absolutely no problem with translation!
Some other version of translation that says Jesus did not had ability to make miracle for this people; the question is why? We understand that the problem is not with Jesus, but the problem that lay is within the people. Why his divinity authority and power, why his gifts and abilities, authority and power were not able to reveal for those people? – Jesus couldn’t. And it is written because of their unbelief. (Jesus was simply marvelled of their unbelief.)
But there is different of moment that commentary’s and Jesus spoke in book of Luke, when people not only confirm authority that he had, and then they started to ask themselves let us understand/grasp who he is. Do you remember what was the result; in the beginning they were disturbance with full of violence against him and then they walked him out of synagogue and put him on top of hill and they wanted to throw him down. What happened with those people that were delighted, astonishment and had confirmation! – Till the moment to violence of anger, why atmosphere had changed? Why did the hearts of people had changed and what did restricted Jesus from his actions/activity and it is written the word unbelief, but their is also other word – Jesus himself commentaries and said such words, when people started to understand/grasp what he did and how he spoke and under what authority he was doing it and they try to understand/grasp who he is? “Personally himself” he was simply carpenter, son of carpenter, brother that is sitting among of other four of his brothers, son of marry; who he really is? And they were offended “lure” at him.
Jesus commentaries the core of this problem, how did unbelief were revealed/develop; unbelief is common word, but how was in practice did unbelief revealed/develop, possibly this is a lesson for all of us here. And he commentaries and tells the core of the problem; Jesus said a prophet is not without honour, let me try to tell you this with different tongue, minister of a prophet is always accompanies with honour and respect to a prophet. But there is three positions/places where honour of a prophet or respect of a prophet is belittle; it is the first thing is with relatives, homeland and in his house. What is very interesting and exactly about unbelief that it has being revealed in disrespect which restricted Jesus Christ of making any actions/things for this people; they didn’t acknowledge him who he was for real - in divinity plan of salvation. Please acknowledge this when Jesus was telling to people and tried to reveal his power, he often said over and over same phrase, do you believe that I’ am son of God or do you believe that I’ am messiah. And when people confess / acknowledge him then divinity of grace pass with power and might for them. We are talking about the power of honour. Authority of grace and conditions for passing divinity of power is what Jesus said about honour or faith. Please try to understand that in our world, concept of honour which has being destroyed.
Jesus couldn’t; but I believe he wanted very badly - but why? And who he is? – He is simply carpenter, son of carpenter and his brothers among us, who is he putting/presenting himself and they were offended at him.
Edit: Thank you for reading!
1 And he “Jesus” went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. 2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
My topic today Jesus could not. Let me explain this story in more depth. Jesus went around different villages/city and gave teaching but sometimes he went to his own village/country where he was born and raised.
And how it was commonly for human adult that could read in synagogue: Book of Luke possibly that talk about same event or similar event; it is written that they gave him book of Prophet Isaiah. And he opened and read – spirit of the Lord is upon me. And so indeed what people hear and say about him of how he speaks or what and how he speaks – they were marvelled about three things.
First of all - the words of grace that was coming out from his mouth – because he spoke as like authority but not like scribes and Pharisees; they were simply marvelled of his wisdom and they were marvelled of his power that was lay/fulfill through his activity/actions. They did understood that what he speaks and how he speaks and how he does which presents divinity power, wisdom and authority that comes from origin of divinity; and they were marvelled. In book of Luke which is written that they acknowledge/confirm the truth about him and what I quote it from Bible. (And they marvelled the grace that was coming out from his mouth.)
And they were asking three questions? Where this is from that what he has, his wisdom, power and authority. But notice they were also asking different questions; who he is? Really who he is? They say - but he is just a carpenter, son of carpenter. His four brothers among us and two sisters, and his mother among us too; he is just a carpenter and son of carpenter. Who he is? And it is written that they were offended “lure” at him or in other words “lure” did not count him who he really was. And interesting moment resulting from all this: Book of Luke I’ am commentary paralleled with book of Mark. The words that are written he “Jesus” couldn’t make any miracles their: Jesus couldn’t.
First thing I would like to say what I believe; I believe that Jesus is God who appeared in flesh. And I confess that this is pre eternity word of God; which was created everything in heaven and the earth, visible and not visible. I acknowledge and believe that he is the one who was given to him every kind of authority in heaven and an earth; I confess that he is Son of God – born from God. And it was given to him every-kind authority including authority over illness. And it is also written that Jesus couldn’t, please notice here that he “Jesus” did not say he didn’t wanted it but he simply couldn’t. First I though the problem with translation, the word itself (Jesus couldn’t) sounds like almost sacrilegious. What is interesting that translation is in order; there is absolutely no problem with translation!
Some other version of translation that says Jesus did not had ability to make miracle for this people; the question is why? We understand that the problem is not with Jesus, but the problem that lay is within the people. Why his divinity authority and power, why his gifts and abilities, authority and power were not able to reveal for those people? – Jesus couldn’t. And it is written because of their unbelief. (Jesus was simply marvelled of their unbelief.)
But there is different of moment that commentary’s and Jesus spoke in book of Luke, when people not only confirm authority that he had, and then they started to ask themselves let us understand/grasp who he is. Do you remember what was the result; in the beginning they were disturbance with full of violence against him and then they walked him out of synagogue and put him on top of hill and they wanted to throw him down. What happened with those people that were delighted, astonishment and had confirmation! – Till the moment to violence of anger, why atmosphere had changed? Why did the hearts of people had changed and what did restricted Jesus from his actions/activity and it is written the word unbelief, but their is also other word – Jesus himself commentaries and said such words, when people started to understand/grasp what he did and how he spoke and under what authority he was doing it and they try to understand/grasp who he is? “Personally himself” he was simply carpenter, son of carpenter, brother that is sitting among of other four of his brothers, son of marry; who he really is? And they were offended “lure” at him.
Jesus commentaries the core of this problem, how did unbelief were revealed/develop; unbelief is common word, but how was in practice did unbelief revealed/develop, possibly this is a lesson for all of us here. And he commentaries and tells the core of the problem; Jesus said a prophet is not without honour, let me try to tell you this with different tongue, minister of a prophet is always accompanies with honour and respect to a prophet. But there is three positions/places where honour of a prophet or respect of a prophet is belittle; it is the first thing is with relatives, homeland and in his house. What is very interesting and exactly about unbelief that it has being revealed in disrespect which restricted Jesus Christ of making any actions/things for this people; they didn’t acknowledge him who he was for real - in divinity plan of salvation. Please acknowledge this when Jesus was telling to people and tried to reveal his power, he often said over and over same phrase, do you believe that I’ am son of God or do you believe that I’ am messiah. And when people confess / acknowledge him then divinity of grace pass with power and might for them. We are talking about the power of honour. Authority of grace and conditions for passing divinity of power is what Jesus said about honour or faith. Please try to understand that in our world, concept of honour which has being destroyed.
Jesus couldn’t; but I believe he wanted very badly - but why? And who he is? – He is simply carpenter, son of carpenter and his brothers among us, who is he putting/presenting himself and they were offended at him.
Edit: Thank you for reading!
by Two Moons on 05 December 2011 - 06:12
Not to get into another religious debate but the power of suggestion is real, but only to those who believe it is real.
Psychology 101.
Psychology 101.
by MAINLYMAX on 10 December 2011 - 23:12
by MAINLYMAX on 11 December 2011 - 00:12
Credo ut intelligam ....Saint Thomas Aquinas.
People are not fools, they have studied and prayed for
2000 years to Jesus and God.......Psycology is Greek for (study of the soul).
You got to walk that lonesome valley...nobody else can walk it
for you...
For those who have never heard the Lords prayer in
Aramaic ......Jesus language.
People are not fools, they have studied and prayed for
2000 years to Jesus and God.......Psycology is Greek for (study of the soul).
You got to walk that lonesome valley...nobody else can walk it
for you...
For those who have never heard the Lords prayer in
Aramaic ......Jesus language.
O, Grand Emanator of the Cosmos, focus your light within us -- make it useful
Create your reign of unity now
Your one desire that acts with ours,
As in all light,
So in all forms,
Grant us what we need each day in sustenance and insight:
Loosen the cords of mistakes binding us,
As we release the strands we hold of other's guilt.
Don't let external things delude us,
but free us from what holds us back.
From you is born all ruling will,
The power and the life to be strong,
The song that beautifies all,
From age to age it renews.
I affirm this with my whole being.
In the Name of the almighty God and His spirit.
Happy holidays everyone!
by Two Moons on 11 December 2011 - 07:12
Faith healing is the power of suggestion, nothing more.
It does not work on most people because the do not believe it will.
The mind works in mysterious ways over the body.
Moons.
It does not work on most people because the do not believe it will.
The mind works in mysterious ways over the body.
Moons.
by John Kennedy on 10 March 2012 - 00:03
Jesus is the adult's version of santa claus. he is everywhere, watching you at all times, knows if you been bad or good...... blah blah blah. This is just like politics, no one will ever agree.
by BabyEagle4U on 15 March 2012 - 16:03
Jesus told the truth, and that truth demanded the convictions of evil doers in this world - in the minds of freeman. He was condemned to death, mocked, tortured, stripped naked, nailed to a wooden cross, and left to die .. because he told the truth.
In other words, no freedom of speech for Jesus. Hence, God Blessed America !! LMAO YAY !! Refer to Revelations 3: 7-13 and of course Proverbs 29:16 to name the first 2. LOL
Seriously, Gods people who know Jesus - recognise "anno Domini" as a hint and a half result of intelligent and painstaking design. Amazing to say the least.
Just because I'm thinking - therefore I am (here) (LOL) "The heavens declare the Glory of God, and the firmament shows His handiwork" Psalm 19:1 <<----- Love that one.
In other words, no freedom of speech for Jesus. Hence, God Blessed America !! LMAO YAY !! Refer to Revelations 3: 7-13 and of course Proverbs 29:16 to name the first 2. LOL
Seriously, Gods people who know Jesus - recognise "anno Domini" as a hint and a half result of intelligent and painstaking design. Amazing to say the least.
Just because I'm thinking - therefore I am (here) (LOL) "The heavens declare the Glory of God, and the firmament shows His handiwork" Psalm 19:1 <<----- Love that one.
by GSDguy08 on 15 March 2012 - 19:03
Moons, the power of suggestion is real? How do you or others explain things like the healing of leprosy (something that you can't just make yourself believe vanished off of your body, or other people to believe it for that matter).......or the feeding of the 5,000..... Or the paralytic being able to "immediately" get up and take his stretcher and go. People today are not healed like in biblical times. The healings and miracles then were done to show he was who he says he was. When people are "healed" today by false teachers, they don't just immediately get up and walk on instantly.....Because they aren't being healed. Often times today it's people being paid to fake it, or in other cases they don't "immediately" get up and go. It's always a struggle for them....go figure. Or how does anyone else explain all of the prophecies that were said hundreds and hundreds of years before they came true. Luck? I doubt it. Jesus has come already, there is no need for miracles and prophecies anymore, and anyone who claims to heal or do those things today is a false teacher.
by beetree on 15 March 2012 - 21:03
If you get Moons to reply, I'll consider it a miracle. He hasn't been around since he went eagle scouting and then the tornado's hit!
I believe God still does miracles, though. There is just no other way to explain some things.
I believe God still does miracles, though. There is just no other way to explain some things.
by GSDguy08 on 15 March 2012 - 21:03
beetree of course, I believe he does miracles too.......just not in the ways that they were clearly shown back then in the bible. Like cancers or diseases that were life threatening......and the doctors would do another scan and nothing was there.... Things like that or similar. Hopefully Moons is okay, I don't check that many posts on the forum so I don't usually notice if someone hasn't been on here in a while.
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