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12V UA,12V RUS Vogerland Shaytan 


OKD-1, ZKS-1, DNA, ED-0
 Kkl 1 

Sire Born: 23. April 2007

12V UA,12V RUS Vogerland Shaytan

RKF  2134689
Hip: FCI: A 1/2 - Elbows: Not known

Breed report

Large, average force, very good head and expression, withers, a strong back, a good arrangement of a croup, good corners of lobbies and very good corners of back finitenesses. There is directly, very good step with a strong push. Anders Eriksson (SV) High, strong, with a strong expressive head, harmonious, strong enough skeleton, slightly oblique croup, good corners of finitenesses. Free movements. Andreas Rudolf (SV)

Linebreeding


     

Pedigree

OKD 1,ZKS 1

V Vogerland Faraon OKD 1,ZKS 1 male

2002
RKF 1371122
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
V Vogerland Faraon

IPO1

Erminal Visum IPO1 male

1999
RKF 1081776
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
 Erminal Visum

IPO1

Vogerland Odin IPO1 male

1995
RKF 78696
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Sire
 Vogerland Odin

IPO1

Erminal Hendi IPO1 female


RKF 0045063
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Dam
IPO1

Vasgerhoff Vjurtsella IPO1 female

1995
RKF 0039000
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Dam
 Vasgerhoff Vjurtsella

IPO1

V Vogerland Gering IPO1 male

1993
RKF 66908
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Sire
V Vogerland Gering

OKD 1, ZKS 1

Voger Vassa OKD 1, ZKS 1 female


RKF 0036500
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Dam
 Voger Vassa

OKD-2 ZKS-2

Vlaterfolg Tsarina OKD-2 ZKS-2 female

2004
RKF 1528806
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Dam
 Vlaterfolg Tsarina

OKD-1 ZKS-1 BH SCHH-1

VA1 RUS CH (RUS) Zilber Wasserfall Stepan OKD-1 ZKS-1 BH SCHH-1 male

1997
RKF 086805
HD-FCI: B 1/2
Sire
VA1 RUS CH (RUS) Zilber Wasserfall Stepan

SCHH2, IPO1

V,LV&RUCH,VA1(UA) Rob vom Salzgitter Milieu SCHH2, IPO1 male

1993
SZ 1885340
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
V,LV&RUCH,VA1(UA) Rob vom Salzgitter Milieu

OKD-2, MCS-2

V(RUS) Zilber Wasserfal Lucia OKD-2, MCS-2 female

1993
RKF 0030773
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Dam
V(RUS) Zilber Wasserfal Lucia

OKD1, ZKS1

Nitserus Aldona OKD1, ZKS1 female


RKF 1028868
HD-FCI: B 1/2
Dam
IPO1

Vlaterfolg Den IPO1 male

1996
RKF 0083326
HD-FCI: A 1/2
Sire
 Vlaterfolg Den

IPO-1

Nitserus Fantazy IPO-1 female

1996
RKF 0081489
HD-
Dam

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User comments



Lynx
Comments: 19
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 09:27 am
This dog carry DOMINANT BLACK gene (locus K - dominant black). His offsprings made genetic tests in Saint-Peterburg genetic lab. The result is - Dominant black in locus K. In A locus the dog can carry any color: sable, black&tan etc. and give sable or black and tan puppies.
Ludmila
Comments: 1
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2010 09:36 am
Super black!!!
Shaytan
Shaytan
Comments: 5
Joined: Thu Jun 25, 2009 06:41 am
Look more photo and the information here http://lottas.borda.ru/?1-1-80-00001659-000-10001-0-1288588530
Rico
Rico
Comments: 114
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:20 am
Compliments of this beautifull black german sheppar.

For all the critics.

'I SUPOSE THERE IS A BLACK MALE OF FEMALE IN THE BITCH LINE OF VLATERFOLG TSARIN.
BY ALL THE MOTHERS IS NO PICTURE GIVEN.

IF THE BREEDER/OWNER HAS IN THE FUTURE A BEAUTIFULL BLACK PUPPIE (MALE HAS TO BE MASCULIN, FEMALE HAS TO BE FEMININE) WITH GOOD DRIVES HE/SHE MAY CONTACT ME.
Miu
Comments: 12
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2003 09:25 pm
Martin: did you even read the rest I wrote?

It is very much possible that the pedigree is accurate -as far as we see it-, because the DOMINANT black gene can be traced directly from this dog to Vogerland Faraon -> Vasgerhof Vurcella -> Voger Vassa -> Goya.

This DDR-female is the key, and it's parents to determine where the dominant black comes from.

Usually GSD's carry only recessive black which is located in A-locus (gene a), these dogs clearly carry DOMINANT black which comes from the locus K. You also can see this dominant K-gene on Shaytan's offspring. That's why the dog's pedigree most likely is true. Only question is what comes from Goya's background.

And we all know that GSD's had alot of more variance back then and earlier days, we even had brindle color! Also we do know that it was very popular in DDR and several other countries mixing different breeds to one, this is a fact which is most seen in GSD's and malinois. In malinois this background is seen on funny colored puppies because the "agouti" color (Ay) of malinois covers up for example GSD's sable (aw), saddle (as), bi-color (at) and recessive black (a).
skywalker
Comments: 169
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:42 am
congratulations to the owner on having a great dog , the size and movement looks great ...... and surprising the type is true to the standard.
Pls post his videos.
good luck
Martin
Comments: 87
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 06:16 pm
"So just to be clear, this dog's pedigree can be true to the far as we can see it."


And I could be a decendant of Luis XIV acutally :o)

I pile of lies...and everybody knows it. Who can see.
Miu
Comments: 12
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2003 09:25 pm
So just to be clear, this dog's pedigree can be true to the far as we can see it. What's behind Goya and responsible for the dominant black, is the question mark.
Miu
Comments: 12
Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2003 09:25 pm
When you look the dog's pedigree, there's a straight line of black dogs to Goya:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/522398.html

When looking at Goya, I see something belgian shepherd-like in her. Old DDR-dogs and their pedigrees are bit vague.

In Belgian shepherds, groenendaels are dominant black. If there's a groenendael somewhere in the background, it explains the dominant black.

With this pedigree this dog, or for example Vogerland Faraon, cannot be black or produce black offspring without the other parent carrying black.

Faraon:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/522406.html

It is quite obvious that these dogs carry dominant black and it's coming somewhere behind Goya, whoever her parents are.
Blackavailable
Comments: 2
Joined: Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:26 pm
Nothing odd, I don't think that you can find a black Russian ir Belorussian dog with real pedigree, because breeders breed sisters and brothers, mothers and sons and so on or use dogs without papers for the color.

I had a black bitch from Belorussia, I think, I was lucky. I knew, who her father is :D In papers it stated a show line black and tan, real father was a black working line, mating was done when he was only 10months old, without even prelims. Well, later he proved to be not bad and now is used as a stud for black show+work quite a lot.
Her mother is a Belorussian bred black bitch, in pedigree her mother is a black bitch, that came from a black bitch and black and tan father. My bitches mother's father is a black and tan from show and DDR in 4-5 generation.
As you all know, this pedigree can't be true. And I should mention, that this dog doesn't look anywhere near both of her stated parents. It's a big big ball of lies. I wouldn't breed to a dog like that, you never know, what will pop out.
Silbersee
Silbersee
Comments: 73
Joined: Sat Aug 07, 2004 07:30 pm
Another Russian super dog, lol!
It makes me wonder what we have been doing wrong for all these years, in Germany and elsewhere. We can all learn a lot from these Russian breeders!
Malcolm Willis, et al: Your genetic theories are all nonsense! The Russians proved you wrong!
Dear Russian breeders: Please do not hide your dogs from the rest of the world any longer. Start showing them, and more importantly, offer them for stud, so we can come into the benefit of your wonderful creations!
Martin
Comments: 87
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 06:16 pm
I have to agree with you, live4schutzhund. The pedigree does not make sense.
live4schutzhund
live4schutzhund
Comments: 2
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:35 am
I question this pedigree. There is no dominant black gene in the German Shepherd breed. Breeder claims this dog throws solid black with every litter. Pedigree shows black and tan saddle bred to solid black producing solid black. The Black and tan Erminal Visum clearly does not carry black recessive. All puppies from Black and tan no black recessive bred to solid black produce 100% bi-color carrying black recessive. A Black and Tan dog carrying black recessive ALWAYS presents as partial to full Bi-Color, NOT Saddle.

Impossible for Erminal Visum to carry black recessive.
Impossible for Vogerland Gering to carry black recessive.
Shaytan
Shaytan
Comments: 5
Joined: Thu Jun 25, 2009 06:41 am
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