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VA1(S) V11 Bob von der Grafenburg 


SCHH3
 Kkl 1 

Sire Born: 12. November 2002

VA1(S) V11 Bob von der Grafenburg

SZ  2117016
Hip: SV: HD a-normal (a1) - Elbows: SV: ED a-normal (a1)
DNA: Gelagert
Tattoo: Z-A 4620

Breed report

Übermittelgroß, mittelkräftig, gehaltvoll, kräftiger Kopf, betont männliches Gepräge, sehr schöner Ausdruck, sehr gute Gebäudeharmonie, schöner Linienfluß, korrekte Front, betonte Gefügefestigkeit, ausgeprägter Widerrist, genügend lange, richtig gelagerte Kruppe, sehr gut gewinkelt in der Vor- und Hinterhand, freies Gangwerk mit kraftvollem Nachschub. TSB ausgeprägt; lässt ab.

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Pedigree

SCHH3

VA6 Dux della Valcuvia SCHH3 male

1997
LOI 98/41955 (SZ 2052621)
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA6 Dux della Valcuvia

Groß, kräftig, sehr guter Ausdruck, vorzügliche Gebäudeharmonie, trocken und fest im Gesamtgefüge, korrekt gestellte Vorhand, hoher Widerrist, gerade front, sehr gute Ober- und Unterlinie, richtig gestellte Hinterhand, sehr freies, geräumiges Gangwerk bei guter Gleichgewichtslage. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt nicht ab.

SCHH3

VA8 Max della Loggia dei Mercanti SCHH3 male

1993
GT 566843 (SZ 1944110)
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
VA8 Max della Loggia dei Mercanti

SCHH3, FH, BHP1

VA1 Visum von Arminius SCHH3, FH, BHP1 male

1990
SZ 1789549
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
VA1 Visum von Arminius

SCHH1

V Luna dell' Isola dei Baroni SCHH1 female

1986
GT 406026
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
V Luna dell' Isola dei Baroni

SCHH3

VA1(I) Una della Valcuvia SCHH3 female

1995
GT 622410
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
VA1(I) Una della Valcuvia

SchH3

VA5 Nero vom Hirschel SchH3 male

1990
SZ 1783907
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA5 Nero vom Hirschel

SCHH3

VA6 Ulme de Valdovin SCHH3 female

1992
LOE 510254
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Dam
VA6 Ulme de Valdovin

SCHH3

SG33 Conda vom Wolkenstein SCHH3 female

1999
SZ 2042706
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
SG33 Conda vom Wolkenstein

Übermittelgroße, mittelkräftige, sehr gut pigmentierte Hündin mit harmonischer Linienführung. Ausgprägter Widerrist, sehr gute Ober- und Unterlinie, korrekte Front. Ausgewogene Brustverhältnisse, sehr gute Winklung, freies fließendes Gangwerk. TSB ausgeprägt; lässt ab.

SCHH3

V Yoker vom Lechtal SCHH3 male

1994
SZ 1911557
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
V Yoker vom Lechtal

SCHH3

2X VA2 Karly von Arminius SCHH3 male

1991
SZ 1829910
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
2X VA2 Karly von Arminius

SCHH3

VA3(I) V14 Randi vom Lechtal SCHH3 female

1991
SZ 1811000
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
VA3(I) V14 Randi vom Lechtal

SCHH3

V Princess vom Wolkenstein SCHH3 female

1996
SZ 1956326
HD-fast normal
Dam
V Princess vom Wolkenstein

SchH3

V Zito vom Badener-Land SchH3 male

1993
SZ 1872278
HD-normal
Sire
V Zito vom Badener-Land

SchH3

V Cara vom Wolkenstein SchH3 female

1993
SZ 1856636
HD-fast normal
Dam
V Cara vom Wolkenstein

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User comments



sidhartha
Comments: 4
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2012 07:30 am
i have recently seen bob in bhubaneshwar, now he is aeging and above 12 yrs of age but he is as agile as 3 years, simply superb
Sidhartha
satyadash
Comments: 5
Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:35 am
R.I.P
satyadash
Comments: 5
Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:35 am
you were a real champ.... i had been with him during his last days.
it was really a pianfull moment for us when you went away leaving behind your memories.
raghav
Comments: 34
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 05:43 pm
R.I.P
Rajan
Comments: 188
Joined: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:00 am
Thanks for entertaining GSD lovers for so many years...You were real "King of the Ring". Rest in peace boy !
Dikashant Singh
Comments: 7
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2009 07:01 am
R.I.P
satyadash
Comments: 5
Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:35 am
this dog is presently in india.....orissa(bhubaneswar)...+9692426583
vomtreuenhaus
vomtreuenhaus
Comments: 5
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 02:48 pm
Does anyone know where this male is standing at stud?
apoArmani
apoArmani
Comments: 47
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:18 pm
Gentlemen (assuming there are no ladys on this board); I dont want to comment on the old owner or the new owner of Bob with regards to who is better suited and whether there are moneys owed...as these are clearly issues that belong to them and them alone.

Notwithstanding, it is apt to point out that I have met the new owner; during the time I was in India and ofcourse I have known Abdullah for many years! I wouldnt think of either of them as "cheats" as has been sugested and both are adults who can resolve their own issues - thats if there are any issues at all!!

I will take a stand though as far as the imported dogs which return back to Europe. In that I know only too well that Abdullah never,ever leased or borrowed dogs only to compete in India!!

And the dogs which returned to Europe after he purchased them (that included Quando) was mostly due several requests from the European sides wanting the dogs to either be re-presented at shows or breeding or both and always the dogs returned to India!!

All of his dogs have been in India at different times and yet long enough to allow them to have some impressive numbers of progeny and a decisive input in many-a-breeders breeding programes.

It is due to these specifics dogs' merit that such requests (to go back to Europe) would be born in the first place...May the day come that more of the dogs that are imported into India are subsequently requested to return in order to give their genetic trates to European breeders too. But they have to be good enough!

Rather, though lets see some Indian bred dogs take this giant step and lets see some of these people who proclaim to be the protagonists in Indian Bred; prepare their dogs in all aspects of the European competition requirements and then compete at the top level in Europe.

My hat goes off to anyone in India who has the courage of their convictions to gather a team of friends and further INVEST large sums of money only to be hen-pecked by a crowd who doesn't understand all the intricacies of this sport.

And whilst people may say that I am saying all this as I am good friends with Abdullah and so will always stand up for him; I can say that infact our relationship is not as close as what it used to be...BUT the issue was NOT dogs rather a PRIVATE matter.
Kya bolu rama
Comments: 1
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 03:11 pm
Thank you so much sir, we all know the real story is not about Bob... and also on whose name there is a case, and on which dogs.. lol.
BholKhol
Comments: 8
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:19 pm
I guess !! The dog is comming back to Mr.Harchand & Mr.Noori. The present owner has not given the complete money still for Bob. A cheating case is filed against Dhiraj Raj Deb (Bubneshwar). Dhiraj has cheated many people in the country. Be carefull with this cheat.
NIRVANA
Comments: 95
Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 04:42 pm
BIG MISTAKE DONE BY PREVIOUS OWNER THAT HE SOLD THIS DOG IN KOLKATA.
ddlj
Comments: 3
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2010 03:59 pm
This was one of the best sieger shows organized, but why all of a sudden, all fair and no politics as what many thinks, again a game plan, and this time to improve the reputation. In hyd a gun was shot from ajit's shoulders, last yr from kapil's shoulders and this yr all went fair and as expected isint this amazing. But tell me 1 thing, why did the Judge changed at the last moment, may be he was going to promote Bob over the other bad dogs in front of him, then how to make your own doga a double sieger and how to promote a frnds dog, just by some manipulations. Also heard that mohanty resigned, this is a great news and I guess a step forward to improve this breed as he never contributed anything being a joint sectary of the GSDCI. I am sure now Azim will be promoted to that role. we all will be happy to see If Sanjay desai resigne for step forward to imorove breed standerd,which he will never.Nexttime carefull Ajit, D Krish and Bhinder not to get Instiget by these people. All will have appreciated if the time we spent in seeing the tribal people dance was spent on some seminar or a talk from the judges for the improvement of the breed. But who cares, GSDCI invest money in usless things then to educate people. The good thing was atleast during the show no commitee member was allowed inside the ring and which made a lot of diff. I hope this continues and some fair things happen or else we will only be left importing dogs rather then breeding our own stock.
Abuto
Comments: 308
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:16 am
It was really a bad luck of Bob to get sum fuckall handler for him, he was not even able to show his powerful gait to the spectators.
very big disappointment to all.
Abuto
Comments: 308
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:16 am
It was really a bad luck of Bob to get sum fuckall handler for him, he was not even able to show his powerful gait to the spectators.
very big disappointment to all.
Daksh@
Daksh@
Comments: 123
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:46 am
He is back with a bang what a performance at the calcutta speciality bagged V1, He is know doubt a LEGEND.

Regards
Daksh
sumit kumar
sumit kumar
Comments: 35
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 02:29 am
ANY 1 KNOWS
WHERE IS THE LATTEST LITTER OF Bob von der Grafenburg
I NEED 1 FEMALE
WITH EXCELLENT BODY TYPE

REGRDS
SUMIT
9754775854
Tunu
Comments: 17
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 09:25 pm
can anyone furnish me with details of the new owner of bob. is there any litter expected sired by bob in september '09.
vasudev
Comments: 1
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2009 07:36 am
goddawala brokers in ooty cheat for little money.they claim they have beaten this dog with their dogs.they dont give certificates but collect huge money.i have 1 puppy from a small kennel of 20 dogs near the ooty market without certificate.very disappointing.i always dreamt of having this dogs puppy.they collect extra money for boarding and threaten us.who should i approach in this regard
Abuto
Comments: 308
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:16 am
Good news to all the fans of BOB... In upcoming shows you going to adore the producing abilities of BOb and feel his fire in your soul, he really produced some very good firewheels like him.
Good luck to the new owner.
SURYA
SURYA
Comments: 211
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:09 am
how can u say that iam from south...

i think u hav no other work tats y u keep quarreling with everyone

i was trying to say his pasterns could have been slightly angulated
which creates more beauty to the dog...

anyway u cant understand as u just want to fight wit silly issues
and u r not in the mind set to accept other crtiques.

some how u made me to use bad words...which i wanted to avoid

















Abuto
Comments: 308
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:16 am
hello mr. suryaprakash,
i know very well am bloody fucker because i really like to fuck people like you who always like to lick others ass!!!!

I am waiting for the detail of the critique which you given for Bob tht he is faulty from front.
you are nothing but another ass licker from south, i know very well person like you who not even able to take a very good puppy from sire like Bob and than also putting some critiques on dogs like he knows shepherds very well.

waiting for the details of your critiques.
SURYA
SURYA
Comments: 211
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:09 am
bloody fucker wat the hell u r thinking of ur self,reveal ur
true identity,,,i will kick ur ass

only these dirty fuckers should be thrown from the game..

and abuto u r just a pussy,,so keep licking

if u hav real guts, if u are a guy reveal ur identity and phone n.o. ur
address..i know u cant reveal bcoz ur a shit

if u dont reveal also it is easy to find ur identity so stop
ur idiotic comments it is a warning to u...



Abuto
Comments: 308
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:16 am
mother fucker surya prakash what do you mean by faulty front? I think you knowing gsd better than some other breeders, and now i want to hear it in detail from you.

reply awaited!
SURYA
SURYA
Comments: 211
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:09 am
MR.NATTUNAI EVERY DOG IS NOT ANATOMICALLY STRONG OR PERFECT AS THEY HAVE SOME MINOR FAULTS DUE TO MANY REASONS...
ANSWER TO UR QUESTION IS 'U SAID SOMETHING IS WRONG WIT BOB TAT IS NOTHING BUT HIS FRONT..THE FRONT COULD HAVE BEEN STILL MORE BETTER,
THE FAULTY FRONT CAUSES A TOTAL IMBALANCE THROUGHT THE BODY AND THIS
IMBALANCE IS NOTICED ONLY WHILE THE DOG IS STACKED...AND WHILE MOVING
IT IS PERFECT'
HIS PLUS IS EVERYTHING FROM COLOR TO HEAD AND HIS EXPRESSION TO MOVEMENT..

HIS MINUS IS ONLY HIS DOBE FRONT..

U CAN USE ANY BITCH TAT IS GOOD IN FRONT..

HOPE IAM CORRECT
COMMENTS FROM OTHERS IS MOST WELCOME

WIT LOVE

SURYA PRAKASH C A
NATTUNAI
Comments: 10
Joined: Sat May 02, 2009 05:53 am
BOB is a good dog but why is something different with this animal

somewhere something is wrong why you people are not discussing about

his anatomy and what is his plus and minus points,how can we use him

fruitfully
Thakur saheb
Comments: 19
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:46 am
BOB the gr8 ...fabulous son of awesome father ..!

i would like to say the way he lost at the seiger show ..it was really sad ...till the end he was showing tremendous energy ..superb movement ..i herd some ass hole saying he doesn't have free front reach or his movement looks bit restricted i would love to ask owners and others who have seen him showing....as i jst have seen him 10 times including three specialty's ...and i never felt like that ..any ways he proved him self as a sire too ..by producing few good progeny too ...at patiala show this year there were two of his sons both were good one completed his title too ..few females are also good specially those two out of tyagi's breeding ..! ..

any ways the new owner congrats he is really gr8 and enjoy having a legend with u .


regards to all,
Thakur
EagleEye
Comments: 3
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 03:28 pm
I saw him at the show in Hyderabad last week. He still looks very young and with a spirted movement. He should have been V1 or V2 in this show. It was very clear for everyone outside the ring that the Judge has made her mind before even coming to Judge in India.
MATHAUS
Comments: 254
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:03 pm
i liked his last bit in the Coimbatore Sieger siegershow. He was awesome. Great performance for his age. He deserves all his crowns.
kiran
Comments: 21
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 09:57 am
hi friends

This Dog should be placed in top three.A real winner no need win shows He already won people's heart.And my request to new owner pls maintain good condition.We need 2007 Bob in rings..........

cheers to bobby and Dhiraj.............!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards
Zwinger Vom VIshnu
Abuto
Comments: 308
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:16 am
Congratulations to the new owner of Bobby, very good performance on sieger ground, please do not think of what that one asswhole declare from inside that showgring but think about all those claps for Bob which came from outside the ring.
For us he was our Sieger of last year and also for this year.
I wish him more power for the future.
ram
Comments: 85
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2008 07:38 am
hello all ,

congrats to the owner and handler of BOB as he was the best dog at seiger show and truly he was the deserving seiger ...and any one who have got impartial eye would agree that some ass holes ruined the dignity of this game other wise it was fun being there ..!


cheers to boby !!!!11


regards
Ram Navam
gsdindia
Comments: 33
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 07:21 am
Bob has always been a winner. No one needs to prove that. Power to Bob and all the very best for the future show.

Request the owner not to drop your morale and hold back this beautiful dog without showing him in future. Placements are only for that particular day, the dog would remain in our hearts for ever as a unbeaten champion.

Hope to see him more and more in future. All the best
Chandra126
Comments: 12
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:58 am
Cheers for Bob. He is the best dog of Open Class. All of us come thousands km to show and enjoy BUT the cheats Sanjay bhai and Cheapster Krishnamurthy and baby son make a waste of our money.Time is now come to boycott all shows fixed by these and other Kci friend judges of them.
KNIGHTRIDER
KNIGHTRIDER
Comments: 92
Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 08:50 am
This year also Bob is the real winner of the open ring in India, the fuckall dog like Mika and Sambasy, Ohio placed higher in front of this dog who are not able to complete their 2nd fast gait ring, i really like to fuck those peoples ass who fixed this show again.

If this bhadva Krishnmurthy having real guts in his balls pls come out from your state and show your dogs.

mandar
Comments: 24
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 07:46 am
each and every clap for the bob s performance by the exibitors was a slap on the face of the members who had fixed the show and have disapointed the gsd lovers from all over india who have came all the way to coimbatore to see the show.
Alex Mathew
Comments: 73
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 02:33 pm
A dog that has been placed V11 and V13 at the German Siger show certainly deserves more respect than this.

This site is being misused by many to vent their personal grudges, I humble request all to kindly abstain from mudslinging on each other

This site is a great resource to the new people and let us give constructive criticism which would benefit all


Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
Bob continues to stop his critics by winning BIS & 2nd BIS in Lukhnow.My friends told me that he's moving even better this year.Congratulations to his new owner.I am very happy that he's now in Eastern India.All the best...
wolfganggsd
wolfganggsd
Comments: 86
Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2007 04:59 am
HE IS THE GOOD DOG AND VERY GR8 MOVER HE MOVES LIKE AS IF HE WNTS TO CTACH UP THE WING ,,, BUT HAVENT SEEN ANY GR8 OUT OF THIS MALE AS YET MANY PUPPIES OUT OF IT BUT NOT UP TO THE MARK OF BOB AS YET ....
mr lonely
Comments: 30
Joined: Sun May 25, 2008 05:25 pm
everything is going like sieger show.last years siegers progeny is started to winning in show,proving there sires ability and eventually boby goes once again for foreign tour.no doubt boby is a great dog,moves like wind.with him we can get some very nice females.
boby boby boby boby boby boby
pasupuleti suresh
Comments: 77
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 05:46 pm
Excuse me Mr Ram but you're making me sound like a naive kid with a deep pocket for your kind information I bought Lord from the late Mr Vijay Singh and Sammo is one of the jewels of my kennel and their performance is for all to see but please don't bring in my name to your stupid discussions and i will not take nonsense from anyone who doesn't even know how to use a spell check .
ram
Comments: 85
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2008 07:38 am
i have been a silent vewer of this drama ....this man aaj tak sabse tej have got nuts or what he thinks he is the only knowlegeble person in GSD game . he always should think before posting his comments. a genuine person like THAKUR SAHEB who gave such wonderfull sugestions to the community should always be welcomed & at least not been critisized...

and man you should remeber one thing that in mr.desi's scene only countable no. of dogs have been sent back to there country, but the person for whome you are doing this ball lifting allways sent back all his dogs jst after indian seiger show.. let it be karrly , fedor , rocky , or BOB, & few like SAMMO & LORD, have been sold to the new entusiasts like P.A.suresh. & many more who did not know any thing accept spending money .

AAj TAK you people aalways ruined this game by your mnuplating skills and cheating ...you allways showed your frustration in the show game ,, so beter you do somethig els and leve this genlelman hobby of breeding good dogs away. and one more thing ..

THAKUR WAHI AADMI THA JISNE LAST MAIN GABBAR KO PAANV SE KUCHLA THA .

ager yaad nahi ho to vcd leke dekh lena.

AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
Abe 0 thakur,
when you don't have enough knowledge about Indian gsd game then why you try to be so smart.
you mentioned some top images who always retained there import dogs till demise or produced good progeny.
can you please tell me where is "V4(INDIA 2007) Justin zum Kolbenguss" who is on the name of mr.Sanjay desai?, where's Rascos v Messebau? and .
etc at this time.
do you really know how much its real cost if a person want to import dog between V10 to V20? its least amount'll be "30lacks" in Indian currency.
the person who import good dogs is always planning about the bright future of his new dog and if his dog have that capacity to win in other country whats the problem in it.
i think Thakur the best think for you that talk only what you know and which is truth. if you don't just think about "GABBAR SINGH" he's looking for you and this time he'll not cut your those Two hands but your Third hand(haahaaa).
Thakur saheb
Comments: 19
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:46 am
dear all ,
i request all to inform all these top breeders to not to send there dogs out of country after seiger show as in this forum somebudy mentiond that bob have been sent to sweden , because this makes a point that is that dog was really purchased by you or was on rent or you bought him on contract base.
if you really call your self a breeder pretend like one. follow those reputed breeders who have mentained there images very nobel like mr. A.I.S bhinder,mrs.KALAKRISHNA,mr.D KRISHNA MURTHY, mr.SANJAY DESAI.

They all have imported many good dogs and allways retaind them till there demise and produced good progeny out of them .

Thanks all
Thakur saheb
Vomhorizon
Comments: 14
Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 06:47 am
THAKUR you raise some good points . In my opinion no dog should be allowed to become V1 (or VA1 in the future) who hasnt been in the counrty for 6 months . This would ensure that only those males would be entitled to the coveted title that are actually contributing to the gene pool here (6 months might be reduced to 4 considering the timing of the indian sieger as some dogs are sold after the german sieger show so their is no point for them to be not included) . With regards to progeny i still have my doubts . This would be something that would be imposible to enforce without DNA testing . Microchipping alone does not guarantee that a particular dog is sired by a particular stud , it only goes to show that the dog matches the pedigree .


Buying an import puppy and showing him as a BI pup of a famous stud dog is a common practice it seems to promote stud dogs in many countries that do not have DNA as mandatory requirment . No authentic progeny class can be judged until their is DNA testing done (kits in the US are around 30$ IIRC so any breeder interested can spend that much per puppy if he/she thinks they are worth it - provided the KCI makes it mandatory and provides these kits) .

At the end of the day breed-judging or specialty judging should be looked at for what it REALLY IS , and that is STOCK SELECTION and EVALUATION . At these shows for serious breeders CRITIQUES are more important then PLACEMENTS . I know many breeders in EU who would love to get a top critique from a particular breeder judge even though they place in the the bottom half of the group because they value his/her opinion on their breeding stock . Often breed shows are taken for the wrong reasons and EGO's prevail , such petty interests in the long run will make ZERO contribution..
gsdviking
Comments: 9
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2008 04:33 pm
thanks dear friend to let me know about Bob and his faults. really appreciate you to guide me.

thank you
regards,
gsdviking
natasha
Comments: 18
Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 08:36 am
Hi friends,Abullaha bought so many good to India.e.g.Rocky,Feddor,Qoundo,Bob but how many people have used this dog properly?Infact people are more bussy to put his dog down.therefore is no point of talking about BOB,why he has been not used for mating in India.This dog has some fault in his conformation but one mustn't forgat about his great virtus.
Cubillas
Cubillas
Comments: 37
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2003 08:22 pm
He is in Sweden again.
gsdviking
Comments: 9
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2008 04:33 pm
i think Bob is the only son of Dux Della Vulcuvia in the country. if i'm wrong pls correct me. but i don't understand why the breeders are not using Bob on their bitches here. is there anything wrong with Bob. as far as i know he was V11 in germany and VA1 in Swedan and is also said as the best mover of 2006 Sieger Show. He was also V1 in the 9th indian sieger show 2007 and unfortunately he was V2 this year but still everybody knows that he was the deserving sieger of this year, but in the end "Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander". Let us not talk about that. Bob comes from the best producing lines of Dux Della Vulcuvia, Karly Arminius and more. then why bob is not being used in india. the germans are still producing top quality dogs from the Dux Della Vulcuvia lines there. we should use this dog in india to improve the gene pool here. i thank Mr. Abdullah Noori and Mr. Harchand Singh for bringing this dog in india and making it possible for us to see a world class GSD, gaiting and winning the hearts here. we're having some good grandsons of Dux Della Vulcuvia in the country, but we're not thinking that we can use this Dux Della Vulcuvia's son who is with us here in india to our top quality and top producing bitches with the breeders and produce some of the top dogs which we can proudly say that they are "Bred in India" and are of world class, i don't know when but i'll be waiting to see Bob's progeny coming up this year in india.

regards
gsdviking.
Thakur saheb
Comments: 19
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:46 am
hey Shanta i know you are a fan of BOB bt dont forget BOB have bean beaten by many dogs in india in many shows.

Dog which dont have capacity to produce good progny are rated high in these shows ,which should not be done this was my issue.
and again i am repeting that a dog should be declared seiger /seigrin only after judging his or her progny, in that way only we would be able to produce good dogs . and would be able to improve the game.
Shantha
Comments: 21
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 07:21 am
Best in India
Aajtak chup tha ab choronki G maaroonga
Comments: 2
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2008 07:31 pm
I appreciate your concern for the BI Thakur Saheb, Its not the foreigners that have to be blamed for this, its the crooks in india who encourage them to do it here.
Thakur saheb
Comments: 19
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:46 am
From last many days i am in touch with many GSD people , i am very much dipressed by all this shitt spred by people who call them breeders of GSD in india.and few foriegners who feel like they are ver knowlegable,they say they came here to prmote the show and the game . but acttualy they all are just brokers of top rated dogs from germany.they cheat people on a large scale. the acttual picture of the game have been demolished by them.
so we indians ( i am talking about the people who really wants to improve the game)have to take few steps towards the goals wich are in our minds but anyone of us never taken any action .

First of all GSDCI should take note of the most crusial issue that nobody should be aloud to come with a new dog jst before few days of the seiger show, on rent and then after winning the titel they send these heavy priced dogs to germany. there should be a rule that one have to show the progeny of the dog to make him/her a seiger /seigerin. so that breeder have to make more fair efforts to make a dog seiger/seigerin.inspite of paying rent of the dog and then demolishing the real hardwork of a breeder.

I feel that this game is going out of hands of common man as now dogs who are coming for compiting in the shows are aclaimed of worth 50 lakh or more .so a man who is a real lover of the breed cant even have a dream to have top winner or breeding a seiger ,as till date any of the seiger wasn't bred in india.GSDCI should think alot to prmote the game in fair means .
GSD universe
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BOB is now dog of the year. Great....wishes to the owners..and making GSDs proud in India...Hope BOB's progeny will speak his name in indian rings.....congratulaions to the owners who are contributing a lot to the GSD breeds and to improve the breed qualtiy in inda...let us salute their geniune efforts...cheers
Vomhorizon
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Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 06:47 am
Great going bobby..Big up to abdullah and harchand..
gsdindia
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congrats harcharan and noori for having such a good dog. i am sure you guys have put in the best efforts and work for bringing him to that position. great work..............cheers
Rajan
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Bob von der Grafenburg- Congratulations for winning the Hindu Trophy for DOG OF THE YEAR 2007-2008. gr8 work done Harchand & Abdullah,feels wonderful to have a GSD at the top!
sanarp kennels
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finally WAIT IS OVER a year of GSD again after a long wait once again BOB DOG OF THE YEAR 07-08.Congrats Harchand & Abdullah
k9india
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sryyyyyyyy Congtns.................Abdllah & Harchand

DOG OF THE YEAR 2007-2008

BOB VOM GRAFENBURG
k9india
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sryyyyyyyy Congtns.................Abdllah & Harchand

DOG OF THE YEAR 2007-2008

BOB VOM GRAFENBURG
onlysteve
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Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 03:18 pm
Thanks for the link Surya - it is definitely good to see a dog like Bob. I am waiting for the day when bite work and other schutzhund practices are made compulsory for Indian dogs. That will mark a new beginning and place fresh benchmarks for what Indians call ‘good dogs’.
Here is another link -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm3OzJJ1a8w&feature=related
SURYA
SURYA
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Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:09 am
HI FRIENDS HAS ANY ONE SEEN BOB'S BITING WORK VIDEO....
IT WAS SO AMAZING AND HE SCORED WELL...
CHECK IT OUT AT http://www.youtube.com/watchv=JDzJrXqhn8I&feature=related
gsdindia
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Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 07:21 am
hi friends, there is nothing to be upset about bob not been given the first place. it's a sport anyway. it was just at that particular moment that the judge might have felt that the other dog was better. we all know and understand in our minds who the actual winner is. so lets leave the past behind and move along and look forward for future shows...................... all the best bobby
onlysteve
Comments: 51
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 03:18 pm
Hi Kiran, I am not sure if you can label Bob as a ‘nasty producer’. Please look at this year’s Sieger show results – his progeny are definitely coming up. A dog becomes popular only if he gets proper training and is shown all around the country.
Moreover, many beautiful dogs in India and around the world, remain unnoticed because their owners are not able to show them or treat them as pets.
Dogs can ‘prove themselves through their offspring’ only if the pups are brought up well and are shown. Great dogs or even Pakros for that matter – come up because they are trained. Great bloodlines alone are not enough to win and become famous. Hard work matters. Let’s see if the owners of Bob’s pups prove you wrong.
delfa
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Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 07:35 am
Dear jonny

As I have already mentioned think and speak…..


“MAY BRITISHERS NOT RULE OVER US AGAIN” I guess the Judges were from Germany…

He he….
k9india
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hello jonny this is india.
jonny bravo
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german judge came to fool indian people,but he himself was a fool.y v indians r fighting among ourselves.v all saw the judging where dogs with soft ears,loose hocks were put in the front.margit dorssen was much better than him,atleast she gave a fair judgement.mumbai show was better than the hyderabad show.so v indians lets b united and hope for fair judgement AND MAY BRITISHERS NOT RULE OVER US AGAIN for the coming shows.JAI HIND.
jonny bravo
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german judge came to fool indian people,but he himself was a fool.y v indians r fighting among ourselves.v all saw the judging where dogs with soft ears,loose hocks were put in the front.margit dorssen was much better than him,atleast she gave a fair judgement.mumbai show was better than the hyderabad show.so v indians lets b united and hope for fair judgement AND MAY BRITISHERS NOT RULE OVER US AGAIN for the coming shows.JAI HIND.
jonny bravo
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german judge came to fool indian people,but he himself was a fool.y v indians r fighting among ourselves.v all saw the judging where dogs with soft ears,loose hocks were put in the front.margit dorssen was much better than him,atleast she gave a fair judgement.mumbai show was better than the hyderabad show.so v indians lets b united and hope for fair judgement AND MAY BRITISHERS NOT RULE OVER US AGAIN for the coming shows.JAI HIND.
k9india
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Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2008 09:36 am
Yes the show fixed before.Viswas and sanjay desai they tried to be over smart.viswas was the broker between sanjay and vishal.That y on saturday sanjay desai came to show ground and made ring half the size because indian seiger can't run in big rings.Any way u proved that india is great in politics.
k9india
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yea people know real winner in the show.
kin gsd lov
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THNX ......BRO..VISHWAS...FOR TAKING IT POSITIVELY ...! BEST LUCK FOR YOUR FUTURE........AS A HANDLER N AS A BREEDER TOO..!
kin gsd lov
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I WISH I WOULD HAV E A GSD WHO MOVES LIKE BOB...........& LOOK LIKE FRANJO.........
anand v
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Joined: Sat Jul 21, 2007 01:12 pm
Mathaus, you have tremendously improved over your replies
good day.
Capri
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Joined: Sat May 19, 2007 10:05 am
I fully agree with phataka , aajtak , blackmore and simba shepherds . When I saw the top group in the open class I was exteremly happy that there were so many fantastic dogs there and the competition was extraordinary it cud've been anyones title that day sadly the one dog whose many faults were for all to see is today called the Indian sieger 08 "the judge's decision is final" is what most people are bleating and everyone know it wasn't the best Mr Heinz Scheerer a "highly reputed" SV judge made a mockery of all the good dogs there and if anyone from who wasn't at the show is reading this or someone from Germany is reading this your immediate reaction will be "that the Indian people have a hard time accepting decisions whether it is in the dog show or the cricket pitch " but that is hardly the case most people are just in disbelief that a dog who had SOFT EARS , who was unable to move from round one and whose handler had such thoroughly disgusting conduct in the ring and who had to pull the dog that was behind him who had his leash level with his leg because he was keeping momentum in the FAST GAIT round because the V22 dog was unable to walk another step (FYI the dog behind him was Bob V11 AND SWEDISH SIEGER)WAS MADE SIEGER AND WHEN THE GREAT Mr SCHEERER saw what was happening instead of changing the order of the two STOPPED the show rather abruptly. If the same judge was judging anywhere else in the world would he have listened to the board members of that particular club and decided his sieger .All we want to know is why we are subjected to this kind of conduct from someone whose sole purpose of being there was to pick the best from the group . This sieger show is over but who in that committee of greats is assuring the people of the Indian dog game that next year's show will be impartial and how many will believe the same people who have gone to the extent of halting shows so that their almost collapsing dogs can catch their breath . Well its as simple as this all faith is lost in the GSDCI all i want to ask is why make people pay to enter their dogs in a show where the results are decided please save everyone the time and resources and have your own private shows rate the dogs the way you want and you don't even owe anyone an explanation . And Mr Desai how long do you plan to be Secretary of the GSDCI . you are losing your touch mr desai earlier atleast you got away with fixing your shows this time you didn't even do that properly.Mr Mathuas the show was organised very well but what is the point ?? today you are being made a scapegoat for the dealings of the higher command . All dogs have faults but what we saw on that day was the definition of ridiculous .And people who are reading this from other countries must know that this website is the only way to assure that all the king pins in this scam know exactly what most people think of them . And all I have to say is this if the GSDCI continues to scam the genuine show enthusiasts there will come a time when people will take law into their own hands and they will have no one to blame but themselves .
phataka
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Vishwas Raj-what double standards man-You are the one who scripted Bob's downfall and at the same time you call him 'a sweet heart'. You think all of us are nuts who dont understand your malicious & selfish intents. Your deplorable behaviour in the ring says it all man & your E-mail to Aj Tak Sabse Tej...bears you completely!!(Even Ajith Mathew's E-mails to different people exposed him and the whole GSDCI).Then Vishwas, what were you doing in Goa in the company of The SV Judges,R.Sudam,Wolfgang,Ajith Mathew etc.1 wk before the show, on Sanjay Desai & Sudam's expense?Planning the downfall of some prospective winners and screwing up the GSD game in India.
Mathew says that the judges were directed by Desai & Krishnamurthy to be strict about painting of GSDs..and they followed the directives. Ask Sanjay Desai how many times Dasty,Vigor and more recently Kimon of Dogmatix have been coloured? Ask Sanjit Mohanty(Bob) Sanjay's goon(who projected himself as the President Of GSDCI and a highly sought after judge at the Sieger show in China)how many times he has painted Dogmatix dogs. Bob Vom Grafenberg lost his Sieger crown because he was coloured- Nonsense. Ask Heinz Scheerer and Gerd Dexel how many dogs in the BSZS are coloured and are even VAs..they will be speechless!! The 10th Indian Sieger show was a big hoax-write it off-stage another show on the same venue.Dissolve the GSDCI- President and the Secretary must resign as they have played with the sentiments of the GSD lovers in India- bring in new,fresh, staight-thinking and selfless GSD lovers as members. Save the GSD game from selfish and Autocratic elements-run the GSDCI transparently&Democratically. Blackmore- You have hit the nail in the head and Aj Tak Sabse Tej(You are tough to crack man!!!)
Cyrus
Cyrus
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Sorry every one,

kindly Suggest how to remove pic form the Gallery, i have added a few at the wrong place.

regards

Cyrus
smartboy
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Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 04:22 pm
Bob truly is a wonderful dog. no doubt about it. but should the dog be painted? Why do people present their dog in make believe position. Bob, i think, is already richly pigmented. what's the need to paint him.

on earlier occasion (to be precise on 12 Jan. 2008) a new import of Abdullah Noori (Eros - V37/2007) was exhibited in Delhi dog show. The obvious thing was that the dog was painted. the same dog was exhibited in gurgaon dog show in the last week of December 2007 and a very big white patch was visible on the dog's chest. but that big patch disappeared when the dog was shown in Delhi Kennel Club show.

It is anybody's guess where the patch disappeared.

regards
MATHAUS
Comments: 254
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:03 pm
Just forget it and stop making a fool of us Indians in the eyes of the world.
There was one Judge inside the ring who judged and gave his placings.
There are 1000 judges outside the ring who also judged and are entitled to their opinion.
Obviously these 1001 judges cannot have 1001 official results. The cricket match in Sidney had 12 decisions which were not correct but in the end the Australia won and India lost.
The same is with the 10th Indian Sieger show. Franjo was Sieger. Whether I or you agree or like the owner does not matter- the SIEGER of the 10th INDIAN SIEGER SHOW was Franjo.

Every man, every Judge will prefer A type of dog. Mr Scheerer has given his judgement- it matters little what you and I think for HE was the JUDGE we invited.

SO PLEASE ACCEPT THIS and lets get on with life. The German Shepherd movement in this country will move forward and we have miles to go before we sleep. DNA, HD, Elbows etc will all need to be brought in and finally Schutzund. The GSDCI is committed to going ahead and the quality of GSDs in this country have improved by leaps and bounds.

We are marching forward. Look at this show:

1.Green turf, Great stadium- some Germans said the ambience was as good as the Sieger show.
2. Floodlights.
3. Every dog was given a written critique.
4. Every dog is being issued a Grading certificate.
5. Video of the full show is available. Please send Rs750/- favouring the German Shepherd Dog Club of India, Secunderabad Chapter along with your full postal address and allow 15 days for delivery.
6. Individual photographs of dogs are available. Please send Rs50/- for each pic favouring same club.
7. More than 70 dogs were microchipped and all dogs were sent in after checking Microchipping.

Finally even in Germany, the Sieger is just ONE DOG - there is a grading for you to pick from. Your bitch may or may not suit one dog-you have a choice to decide from.

Rest is all gossip, heresay and individual opinions. The 10th Indian Sieger show is OVER--- get on with your lives, my friends.
A. Mathew
Hon. Secretary,
The German Shepherd Dog Club of India,
Secunderabad Chapter,
65, Gunrock Enclave,
Secunderabad-500 009, INDIA.
+91-9849466344.
Visum
Comments: 277
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
About Using my leg to protect my dog Well ok maybe I was wrong it was the spur of the moment anyone would have done the same. I accept I could have tried something else but it was too fast. Thanks kin!!! Will remember this :)

Aaj Tak Man you are tough to crack. So now you have an issue with my handling, it that it? ok I am a bullshit handler... Please advise people with Top dogs to stop giving me their dogs man. That will be the best solution rather than write here. I accept that Im the worst handler on the face of this earth :) so I guess this settles this. Lets move to the next topic. :)
Chandan Kumar Tarlada
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Joined: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:10 am
I think a small clarification is required.People who came to the seminar after the show in the sailing club might know.Let me explain it.There is an SV rule that once the places are given by the judge in the ring when the dogs are moving overtaking is prohibited.The handler has every right to preserve his place and can hold the leash of the dog preceding and warn the handler to control him.This was explained by the SV judges Gerd Dexel and also Heinz sheerer.

If anybody contradict with this clarification, they can feel free to contact the president of the GSDCI Mr.Sanjay Desai and confirm it.
kin gsd lov
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Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 06:31 pm
THIS IS SPECIALLY FOR MR.VISHWAS RAJ..VISHWAS ,I WAS ONLY A SPECTATOR IN THE SEIGER SHOW , I DONT HAV ANY ISSUE WITH SEIGER SHOW RESULT , FRANJO OR BOB BEST ON THEIR PLACE BUT I HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH WHAT YOU DID IN THE RING NOT ONCE TWICE N U CANT DENY THAT , FIRST YOU KICKED A DOG WHO GOT ESCAPED FROM THE LEESH , THEN THE SECOND TIME YOU DID PULL BOBs LEESH THOUGH HE WAS OVERTAKING(NOT PERMITTEED) BUT THATS NOT YOUR JOB , BELIEVE THOSE TWO WERE THE UGLY SEENS. I CONGRATULATE YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU HAVE DONE , ALSO FOR YOU WERE AHEAD OF A GERMAN HANDLER, ALSO AGREED THERE SHOULD BE A CHANGE FOR THE PROGRESS OF A GAME BUT DO YOU THINK BY THIS WAY ? I AM SORRY THIS HAS ADDED SALT TO THE SUPERB SWEET DISH . THOUGH THE DOG WHO GOT OFF THE LEESH TOWARDS FRANJO , FRANJO DIDNT EXCUSE , HE WAS STANDING COOL & CALM , THOUGH BOB WAS OVERTAKING- FRANJO DIDNT COMPLAIN RATHER DOING HIS WORK ONLY . VISHWAS DONT YOU SAY ," CAUSE FRANJO IS A DOG!" THOUGH HE IS A DOG , WHAT ABOUT YOU... YOU ARE A HUMAN ! . YOU SHOULD LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE DOG YOU WERE HANDLING AND THATS ," TEMPERAMENT " IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SHOW THIS TYPE OF TEMPERAMENT , SHOULD GO TO THE BORDER BUT NOT IN THE SPORTS .IN SPORTS AGGRESSION IS WHAT NEEDED NOT CRUELTY ! PLZ. DONT TAKE IT AS A RASH COMMENT RATHER ACCEPT THIS TRUTH AS A SPORTSMAN & PLEASE DONT DO THIS AGAIN.
AajTak_Sabse Tej
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Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
dear SURYA,

Mystical is promising young dog of correct type, good expressions, and also very good movement with good rear drive and he shown this all things in this last showseasons as well as at young class in this year siegershow .

so don't compair Mystical with dog like Franjo.

and mr. Vishwas raj i know that you handled Bob but in that ring who was the winner? what place Bob got?
please tell the people what happened that day to your great handling work!

Blackmore i entirely agree what you written.

i think from next time we need special ring to show our bred in india dogs in open class not with other outstanding imports like Franjo.
so breeders of india can get fair judging & some satisfaction for what they all give their efforts of whole year.
AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
dear SURYA,

Mystical is promising young dog of correct type, good expressions, and also very good movement with good rear drive and he shown this all things in this last showseasons as well as at young class in this year siegershow .

so don't compair Mystical with dog like Franjo.

and mr. Vishwas raj i know that you handled Bob but in that ring who was the winner? what place Bob got?
please tell the people what happened that day to your great handling work!

Blackmore i entirely agree what you written.

i think from next time we need special ring to show our bred in india dogs in open class not with other outstanding imports like Franjo.
so breeders of india can get fair judging & some satisfaction for what they all give their efforts of whole year.
Visum
Comments: 277
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
Ajay The Sieger does not even belong to me!
There were other things that could be spoken about at Hyderabad which are going unnoticed... Anyway Im sorry I tried... More on email Ajay, Ciao!

Aaj Tak Well man!!! I can only smile...
I don't know if you are aware Iv handled Bob too, I really enjoyed running him, hes a sweet heart. ;)
blackmore
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Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 04:28 pm
An Interesting display of opinions on the 10th Indian sieger show.
What we the GSD LOVERS OF INDIA WANT is
- fair honest comitted judgeing and that the best dog on that day wins
I feel for those exhibitors who travelled from up north for 3 whole days and nights and from far down south spending huge amounts so that their exhibits get a decent deal - those are the guys who suffer because of the politics of the game .
Mr Krishna your comments that an Indian handler showed the sieger dog and for the first time a non Noorie or Desai dog shown by a non German was a credit , but sadly on that day the performance of that dog was rather lack lustre and below par and the handler was literally dragging him along and also displayed appalling conduct and unsportsmanlike behaviour - his only goal was to hold the sieger dog never mind if he overshadowed the dog .
Also if people had told the judge to look out for coloured dogs , I wonder why they conveniently forgot to tell him to look out for soft eared dogs and he probably needed special equipment to confirm the same.
if I had a choice I would want a bred in India dog to compete for the title " INDIAN SIEGER " and handled by our own handler . What is so great in Bringing a previously rated dog a few weeks before the show informing the judge about the same and sending it back quietly after the event . This does nothing to encourage the breed in India nor the hard working Indian breeders , trainers and handlers. Let not only the big names with big money rule the roost. Bring in good dogs to improve the stock and lines .
Bring fresh blood into the GSDCI - people who have guts to improve the game without selfish intents and who can root out the rot .
SURYA
SURYA
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Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:09 am
ONE'S EYE IS NOT SIMILAR TO THE OTHERS....JUDGING CAN VARY FROM
ONE JUDGE TO ANOTHER JUDGE...IN 2007 OOTY SHOW BOB WAS BEATEN UP
BY YOUNGEST CHAMPION "MYSTICAL"...THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT BOB IS
INFERIOR...SO WHAT I CONCLUDE IS, LET US BE HAPPY FOR BOB'S
EARLIER ACHIEVEMENTS....

ATLEAST LET ME BE THE LAST PERSON TO END UP THIS TOPIC..
Patiala
Comments: 76
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 07:53 am
Hello Vishwas:

I am only going to address you directly because since you could respond to the comments on this list, you must read the comments yourself. I give you credit for putting in your time, hard earned money, and effort into making a dog become a Seiger in India - well and good. Don't loose track of the main goal, which is to promote the breed and promote the right dog. If you feel you have done that honestly, then kudos to you. However, if you feel that you have promoted yourself more than the dog, and you have played the game outside the ring, then you need to rethink about the main reasons why we love the breed. Fair competitions always promote the game, and that is what we should promote in India. The German Shepherd dog community is fairly small in India, and even worldwide, and we should promote camaraderie in that community. At the completion of the show we should all be able to sit together like good sportsmen/women and honestly feel that we have held the breed standards and done justice to the breed without overly promoting ourselves. The Seiger show is over, congratulations to you and your Seiger.

Ajay Singh
www.ajaysingh.com

sanarp kennels
Comments: 28
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 02:47 pm
Hello friend`s,

I hope recently we concluded our 10th indian sieger show not INDIAN LAUGHTER SHOW to rest of the world.pls keep in mind we are all dependent on germans for good dogs and if we keep this mockery show continued on this board may be in future we would be denied from good dogs not only good judges.Because rest of the world can also read,write and understand english.

SO all knowledgeable friend`s the show is over let`s not fight.finally we all know the running machine MOVED like a machine as we all know him by the name BOB.The deserving sieger ...........nothing personal against franjo............
czarina
Comments: 12
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2004 03:22 pm
These comments are a cover up from the most cunning spineless and notorious character from today dog game in india viswas raj.whatever they try one and all today understand this show was different from all earlier ones and never was so much blatant cheating and forgery done.If such judge do not come in future it will be better for the shepherd people of india who till now only looked at the Indian Sieger Show as an annual ritual and most fair show of the year.Also it will be better if this judge take people like these chamchas with him so that India pollutin level come down and people live more peaceful life.Thanks.
AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
"Lol hahaha,

You got me laughing man, I agree with you aptly naming the gentleman Kabadiwala could not have been more perfect.

But try and read to this:-

This show 2008 at Hyderabad, has been an eye opener in many ways. For the first time the strong hold of Abdullah and Sanjay has been broken, These two never let anyone else make an Indian Sieger so this is the first time and hopfully not the last. First time we'v had some Indian people handling dogs in Top position. There was a little Ooty boy who placed V3. lets applaud him, so more can follow.

YOu people are crying foul at Bob loosing, movement is not the only Criteria, if it were I think Xavier Urbecke should be Sieger every year!!!! but Anatomie means something. Bob is an old dog with fire in his movement but lots more is desired. Listen to the Judges critique completely he has explained why he placed his dogs in that order.

If we keep shooing away all the TOP German Judges one day nobody will want to judge in India. If you say let Indian Judges do the job, Man people like you and me will never make it into the ring, only Sanjay and Abdullah will win all the time...

Lot of you guys criticise me over a lot of things, but man Iv come up the hard way, a middle class back ground, worked hard to learn the ropes and put in hard earned money to be here. Be a little more tolarent, the game is changing. We will all grow and raise together. The game is growing slowly let it grow, today there is hope for everyone. MAybe soon it will be your Sieger who knows!!!!

I hope after this you can think just a little more before you write a piece!

Thankyou for your Time!

Warm Regards,

Vishwas Raj :)"
_____________________________________________________________________

this is the another massage which i get from the great handller mr. vishwas Raj.

mr. vishwas please post your message directly on database so all reader can share your feelings.

for your information i want to tell you something we all know that this game was fixed and if sombody do not believe on this you can ask to Ring Steward what our Hon. judge asked him when open ring get started.

i know mr. vishwas as good young handller & also i don't want to ruin his image but i also request him to don't be a part of this Corrupted system.

& mr. vishwas Franjo lost at the end in fast gait where Bob gave a flying treat on the fast movement and left everybody far behind but our hon. judge not even one time place Bob 1st to see the difference between their far-reaching movement.

i think mr. Vishwas thinking that Franjo won because of his great handling work?

Madanmohan Pandey
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Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 09:02 am
Bob was the clear winner.Mr.Mathew & team played well(off leash).MIRKA HAUS DEXEL got SG1 with defective legs;well done ,keep it up .
Madanmohan Pandey
Comments: 5
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2008 09:02 am
Bob was the clear winner.Mr.Mathew & team played well(off leash).MIRKA HAUS DEXEL got SG1 with defective legs;well done ,keep it up .
Cyrus
Cyrus
Comments: 198
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2004 02:33 am
I have never appreciated Aaj Tak’s comments earlier for being so rud, but this time I guess he has some valid points to mention and this indeed is a major issue for every one to change for the betterment of the sport.

We have introduced many thing that have no value in Indian market, Gun shot. What is the use? I guess first we should have started with HD, ED to improve, we already have lots of crackers all along the yrs to see for ourselves if the dog is sound shy or not.

Now Taking about BOB, look at the pic in the gallery, this is straight from my camera.. To u all. And I have a 6/6 eye site and 10 flying hours so I can say that my eyes are good enough to see if some thing is colored or not.

And if u look at the Main pic of BOB as well I don’t see any color difference. May be over 2yrs the eyesight of a person may change with age, but I don’t think the color of dog had any time change.

I have an example to say here, recently happen to see the 98 and 2001 sieger show BZSZ, see timo barakestine in there both the shows, u will see some color difference. Now is that coloring, I guess not because over time the coat color automatically changes and it does not remain the same, and when here it is the case of dog being in Germany 2 yrs back and now in INDIA. There need to be some coat change with the climate and hence the pigmentation due to the weather. BE sensible. That is what my point is.

Dear Mr Abdulla, sorry for posting the pic without ur permission but this discussion is going worse without any real proof.

I hope people will see the pic before writing any thing now.

I don’t personally like BOB’s anatomy, but he has fantastic drive and temperament, If I have any female with good anatomy and loose, then probably I would love to use this dog for any price. Every dog has got some virtues. “Use them”. Or have guts to Bring in the top dog to INDIA.


Regards

Cyrus



jonny bravo
Comments: 6
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2007 06:54 am
bob was best and will remain best.its true that the show was set.let anyone say franjo was best.Exhibitor know what happened in the ring.sanjay desai should take some action.banned all corrupted members.
AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
i always heard the theory that gsd is 1st judge by his movement and then by his look but in this years siegershow this theory was completely Visa Versa ...

the dog who don't have will to moove and having soft ears became V1 and the dog like Bob who was perfect in all angles became V2 by critique that he got false color!!

"2years" its a long time where dog color can be changed through genetical changes by diet, climate and other factors and also its seen that in indian climate conditions the import dogs changes their coat n' color.

we all seen bob's progeny in this years siegershow, many of them were in female class and no doubt they all are promising.

if you talking about color of progeny you not only blame Sire.

& if you thinking that why there is less progeny of Bob compair to other dogs?
the main cause is his high studfees which is not affordable for many breeders and other that Bob complited only 1year in india and if you thinking that you can get to view his progeny in this short time then it'll be wrong.

give some time and see what he able to produce.
Krishna
Comments: 15
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 05:54 pm
I agree that Franjo did not move or I dont tell that he is better. This is judges choice. Lets see how he moves in the next shows. As I am Hyderabad from Hyderabad I have a soft corner for Franjo. I am very honest this way. But the same way his anotomie is excellent. He was looking robust in stands and I couldnt find any fault in his anotmie.

I have another thing to post a message from Hon.Sec A Mathew.
Sent Feb 06, 2008 02:04 AM from MATHAUS
"Our chapter ONLY ran the show.The Judge was told by Mr Krishnamurthy and Sanjay Desai to take strict action against coloring dogs. He chose to do this. The show is over and the dog is back. You need to wait for the next time if he is colored."
Mr.Mathew please post your message in database directly. Lets be open in this issue.
natasha
Comments: 18
Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 08:36 am
Hello Krishna,let me explain u about dubble handling ring.Does any country has this type of ring with the main ring and what could have happend to the Enjho? If there had been proper ring.why can"t judge ask for proper ring?or commitee people.Most of the Indian seiger were allways coloured including Vigor And Dasty.plese dont find excuses.If they had problem with colour then commitee people reprimind him not to do it again.but You cant take away hi"s victory.about the proggeny we all know the fact of any seiger in the world?
AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
"My friend I object to your language.When we left the show grounds at 11 pm on 26th night we had left after making a ring of 200 feet x 90 feet. Late in the night officials of GSDCI came and reduced the size of the ring to half this size. This chapter is not to blame. The GSDCI officials said that the ring was reduced considering the handlers- and if the judge wanted he can make the dogs run more rounds round a smaller ring so that it will be equal to bigger ring.However before the open class the ring size was again increased. Were you there at the show my friend.

The club cannot be blamed for the Judge's decision.The club cannot be blamed for German politics.My chapter was asked to runb the show- judge was selected by Managing committee of GSDCI not by us. We tried our best to make the show very good with best venue, flood lights etc etc.If anything else happened it is not our problem please."

if you all thinking what is written above?
Well this is the massage which i get in my inbox which sent to me by hon. orgniser of Siegershow Mr. Mathew.

mr.Mathew if you thinking that i'll apologies for my bad language well i think corrupted people deserve such kind of language and don't send me personal massages because it shows your how much Dum you got in your As##!!!!! write this way that all readers can read your massages.

and one more thing fuck that word "flood lights". Exhibitors don't need flood lights, they want "fair judging." there were many shows we saw without flood lights.

mr. Mathew can you please tell the board what are the charges to be paid if we want our dog on top rank and how this money can be transfer and to whose account?
SURYA
SURYA
Comments: 211
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:09 am
I COMPLETELY AGREE WIT U MR.KRISHNA,THIS SITE IS ONLY TO GIVE
VALUABLE AND HEALTHY COMMENTS ABOUT GSD'S...USING RUBBISH WORDS
IS RUTHLESS...COMING TO THE POINT BOB IS A DOG WHO HAS GOOD
STRIDE AND COVERS THE GROUND VERY WELL...HE CANNOT BE GIVEN
V2 RATING AS SUCH BECAUSE JUDGING INSIDE A SMALL RING WOULD
HAVE SPOILED HIS MOVEMENT...
Krishna
Comments: 15
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 05:54 pm
Mr.Blackmore, Sir I would like to tell you that all the top 10 dogs were very good. Some were nice in the places above 20 too. I am a small time breeder and I have a little knowledge about GSDs too. As far as choice for the Sieger everyone liked a different one. Movement of Bob is not comparable with any dog in the ring, he is too too good. I think everyone will agree with me. My hitch is that he was painted and was very clear. Why this should be done for such a nice dog and dog who has very good chance of making dog of the year. What about the people who have used Bob, they are feeling so low. On the show day the Judge said he is not the same colour what he saw 2 years before. I agree with you about this. But on the seminar day Mr Heinz, Mr Dexel and Mr Meinen told everyone clearly that Bob was painted. He also said that he could not disqualfy the dog because he did not have the equipment to check the colour. You can ask the 30 people who were present in the seminar. They also said great movers in the show never produced well. He also gave few examples of this.
Sir, You have mentioned that Bob's progeny were spotted in the top places. Can you please tell me what places? I am really curious about this. For everyone's information the V1 , V2 and V3 will meet up in 2 more shows with 2 different SV judges this year. I think after the 3 shows we will know which is the best.
My request to everyone is to refrain from using any abusive language to any Judge or any other people. Everyone here is a respectable person and is here for the love of German Shepherd dogs.
These stories will never end. Judges who judged the Indian sieger shows like Mr R.Mayer,Mr H.Reiker,Ms M Dorssen and now Mr Heinz were never appreciated. Losers will always speak ill about the Judges and the show organisers. If this continues like this I don't think any SV judge will come to India. I feel this is a thankless job. Many have problem with the venue, arrangements,spectators and ring size. Why don't you hold the show in your area ? Speaking is very easy. You should see the effort put in by the organisers. Did anyone notice Mr Noori had not even come to take the trophy when Bob made 2nd place. Its really sad and shocking that such a big breeder showed no sportiveness. What example is he setting to amateurs to the game??? What a dog lover !!
AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
from long time i was shutting my mouth on this issue but now i can't.....

this was a very horable show i ever seen in my whole life. i have many hopes from this siegershow that this time it'll be very fair judgement but the truth was very different. now am sure that curruption will never be apart from this dog game because of few currupted people who don't want to share their dogs for improvment in gsd standard of india but they only want to rank their dogs on tops so they can get higher studfees from other local breeders.

i also appriaciate the courage of that chutiya Judge who was part of this horable siegershow.

"the ring was too small for this big show" i think this question was asked by Alex2007. and the answer is Mr.Matthew's dogs only having practice of small ring, and also they don't have stamina for a big ring.

and blackmore if you think that this time we get unedited dvd then don't see such dreams which never will be true.

now you are tinking of what we can do for stopping this chutiya things in our siegershow, the best way is judge your dog with your own mind and leave the siegershow for this bhadvalok.

and i have one massage for Mr. Matthew that "PAISA TO RANDI BHI KAMATI HAI" lekin "IJJAT KAMATI RANDI PAHELI BAR DEKH RAHA HOON."
blackmore
Comments: 2
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 04:28 pm
Mr Krishna the judge said that he saw this dog two years ago the dogs colour can change in that time and as far as progeny is concerned not all the puppies get the same colour as the father And for your information bobs progeny was placed in the top spots in the sieger show this year . And if anyone should have been thrown out of the ring it was Vishwas Raj he had no business man handling bob for moving faster and better than the dog he was handling and this is the same person who we have seen overtaking,scaring the other dogs and stepping and shoving them every chance he gets and Mr Krishnamurthy and Mr Sanjay Desai were witness to this incident in the sieger show and when they didn't raise an objection to that i dont think they will take any action on bob's owners for change in colour. I want to ask show secretery of the hyderabad chapter to kindly release the unedited dvd of the sieger show so everyone can see what has happened there and if the judge was so sure bob was coloured he should have disqualified him but making franjo a sieger when he had soft ears and looked as though one more round would have finished him off is absolute rubbish there were a lot of good dogs in the final lineup and all of them moved better than franjo and i must say Mr Harchsnd and Mr Abdullah you should have objected when that awful excuse of a human touched your dog and lets hope we never have a repeat of the fiasco at this sieger show again the dogs deserve much better than this.Cheers!! to the GSDCI for effectively screwing up the dog game in India.
Krishna
Comments: 15
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2008 05:54 pm
The judge should through this dog out of the ring because he said this dog is not the same colour what he saw in Germany. We should appeal to the kennel club of India to investigate this issue as this dog is fighting for the dog of the year. What a shame !! After the judge mentioned this at the show I have seen his progeny picture and none of his progeny had colour. The breeders who want to improve colour ..please dont go by the false colour . I really wonder how the judges in India havent caught him in the ring. Now a question rises Was QUONDOS colour was true??
Mr.D.Krishna Murthy (President), Mr.Sanjay Desai (Secratary) and Mr.Ajit Mathew (show Secratary)should put forward this issue to the KCI and investigate the matter.Painted dog should not become dog of the year. I hope people agree with me. If the owners are honest ask the local kennel club to take samples of the hair and get it tested.
Alex2007
Comments: 89
Joined: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:18 am
I think result of Hydrabad sieger show was pre-planed.why ring was very small?This is verynice market strategy?It is sad some of our people are involed and their intrest is only put our people down and encourage outsider take advantage of the situation.
sunnysan
Comments: 4
Joined: Wed Feb 07, 2007 09:27 am
Please stop all this stupid remarks,it does not do the India GSD immage any good every year same story.
Take the judgment from the judge.The judge did not say Bob was painted, he said he is a different colour from when he judge him in Germany, colour can change with diet, supplements and climate. I was there and to me he looked at his best.When it comes to use a male for breeding dont use a stud dog becouse of his name or conections, use a stud dog for what he can offer, a male that has a very good and well establish mother line and that compliments your female a male with NO big foults that can come thrue in the progeny, like "soft ears" cow hocks, light eyes and especilly take good look on hips.(sometime you make mistake in what is not corect in the back and what is bad hips)
Some very good males in this class,and some with good progenies here and abroad, especilly first 8 dogs some top import and home bred.
YYYY
Dambo Mambo
Comments: 4
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 02:12 pm
first of all congrates to abdulla & harchand...... in this 10th seiger show Bob is the real seiger beacause of he moves like wind & looks like fire he shows his real movement in this show . the people who r present in show realy shocked...from judges judgements... but truth is can't cover by anything....
and as true gsd lover i feel bob is real seiger of 2008...best of luck bob for future
keep it up ......................................
Dambo Mambo
Comments: 4
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 02:12 pm
first of all congrates to abdulla & harchand...... in this 10th seiger show Bob is the real seiger beacause of he moves like wind & looks like fire he shows his real movement in this show . the people who r present in show realy shocked...from judges judgements... but truth is can't cover by anything....
and as true gsd lover i feel bob is real seiger of 2008...best of luck bob for future
keep it up ......................................
kin gsd lov
Comments: 10
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 06:31 pm
...no doubt bob s a glamorous(my choice for looks),also a great mover but can anyone tell..sorry.! explain me ,if this is the only criteria for a great gsd..some1 in comment has written "if,been co-owned by any sv-judge ,he would have been VA ." i think we should know progeny's the major factor for getting a VA, if he is that much a great gsd then why not used by the european breeders , also where's his progeny in INDIA as he has been in the country more than a year . i am sorry to say "buying a winner dog, not in use of the europeans & showing in INDIA has been a gsd game for the country...sad..isn't it." congrats to mr. noori .mr. harchand if they breed him with good results..(nt 1 o 2 progenies )
A Krishna
Comments: 5
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 01:43 pm
Bob looked and performed his best in the Siegers and he was moving like dream.The V1 dog was slow in his movement(though he's also a very handsome male)and was smelling grass half the time and is undeserving as far as performance is concerned.The Quantum son of Mr.Desai should've been placed V2 while Bob should be V1.If the judge thought that Bob was coloured why didn't he disqualify him!!
smartboy
Comments: 15
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 04:22 pm
yet another chapter in indian sieger show has come to an end. and what an end! Bob again showed what is movement. I heard he was not moving but flying. and what Franjo did is not digestible. feel like a blind man from germany was invited to judge the show. only a blind person or who has no knowledge about gsd, can put Bob to be in second place and that too against Franjo. what a shame!

Bob will always be considered a sieger, no doubt about it.
delfa
Comments: 46
Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 07:35 am
Indeed a great mover and the most deserving Sieger for INDIA at present. But unfortunate to be shown under the judge who thinks that a dog with some different color 2 yrs back should be placed second. If he was so much concerned abt the color he should have disqualified him and not put him on 2nd. Even the 3rd dog was far better than the 1st placing.
I guess INDIA should promote INDIAN judges; there are many who consider themselves breeders for past 10-25 yr, so why can’t they judge, or they only working as brokers for the Germans. Stop bringing useless dogs to INDIA.
AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
i agree with you capri no doubt Bob was the clear winner in that class and for us he is the real indian sieger of 2008. Bob's movement was also not compairable to any other dog in his class. A lot of people around the ring thought that he should be the winner of the class but finally all are wrong and soft ears dog win indian sieger title.
i understand the judge is the judge and his decision is final but under what critique he placed bob 2nd was Laughable. judge said that he never seen bob in that color, i think judge was not there in worldsiegershow where all witness this mindblowing dog and any database user having german siegershow vcds or dvds of 2005, 2006 please once again take a look on this dog. in that videos also you can witness this dog in same color.
anyways congrats to Abu and Harchand.
Capri
Comments: 10
Joined: Sat May 19, 2007 10:05 am
congragulations to Zedex and Noori kennels . Bob did fabulous in Hyderabad his movement was outstanding he was everyones favourite to win the title this year there was no competition for him he was a class apart from franjo and was cheated out of his second sieger title if anyone from the GSDCI is reading this please don't ruin the Indian dog game by bringing such hopeless judges to judge the shows , congrats once again to Mr Harchand and Mr Abdullah .
Chandan Kumar Tarlada
Comments: 1004
Joined: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:10 am
great dog but no significant offsprings.poor progeny for such a high rated dog in germany.
AajTak_Sabse Tej
Comments: 96
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 09:13 am
CONGRATULATIONS....
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
ANOTHER FEATHER IN ABDULLAH'S CAP.CONGRATULATIONS ABDULLAH AND HARCHAND.
BOB HAS MADE US ALL EXTREMELY PROUD.
great_gsd_lover
Comments: 6
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:49 am
this  super male is still liked by people in germany & around that is why he is sent back on lease, one of my close friend in germany told me that this male was not co-owned by any S.V judge otherwise he would  have been a VA  , he definately deserves VA ................... hope he shares same kind of brain to his descendents ( in his legacy) who  r bred in india thru german import mothers
ootyvijay
ootyvijay
Comments: 18
Joined: Sat Oct 21, 2006 02:26 pm
hello friends ..I have reacently booked a pup out of bob ...with well known greenfield's kennel (india).hope fully the litter expected on 5th of july 07 ..hope the blessed pup will also rocks in the show like his father bob ....
dyandl
Comments: 26
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2003 08:52 am
very correct simalmirch this is not great dog beaten by many bred in india.quando daughter beat it easily also
SimlaMirch
Comments: 46
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 03:54 pm
How can it be in the better of Quando silly compare. This dog is beated by Quando beautiful daughter so many time this name must be R.BOB not BOB.
manoj
Comments: 11
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 08:44 am
congratulation noorie for another indian sieger.
one more golden fidhers in your kennel. dont you think all the guys,this dog is more than quando in perfomance, lets see how it produce.
arielhundesport
Comments: 9
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:14 am
Super Hund. Deckt gut. Super Schutzdienst.
Ganz toller Typ mit sehr guter Schrittweiten und Gebäude. Als Deckpartner nur zu empfehlen.


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