hi guys i saw and i read alot of comments about puma guys that dog with me in kuwait and i am the handler of this dog and the owner is Mr.Haitham Al-Kazemie so the dog with me :)

Shaila's As u said that Xarax is sold before Xado Bcs of this do u think tht Xarax is better than Xado. I think u don't know the thinking of breeder or u know it very well. If u r professional breeder (I know tht u r not) & hv 2 dogs from same litter, which dog'll U sold first.
For Xarax our bred in India dogs r enough in showring to show him his place. But be on wht u said "Xarax is better than Xado any day any time."

And for Mathus we all know that every time u took your feet back in all contravercies. If u think tht Mahesh is good friend of yours it's your thinking.

Mr boney & roy when v r talking abt dogs talk only abt dogs y owners,no dout Noori is a great GSD man but for ur kind info that statement was made by the breeder himself and if u did'nt no Stefen Marten is one of the oldest breader in germany who has bread some beautiful dogs...
its not only XARAX who lost in small rings they were many other top V rated dogs lost in small rings coz these dogs r trained for speciality shows only,so boney & roy pls come to bombay to c XARAX movin in the ring and last but not the least dont ever think you r an SV Judge or the breed warden to comment on XARAX and pls keep ur shitty comments to ur self and not on the database Mr.Ajith Mathew is also a great GSD man too...
good luck to XARAX and owner for the siger show...

Puma Monchbrau is in Kuwait. Not in Mahesh's house. I spoke to Mr. Rieker.

Mahesh is a good friend and I was joking when I said he is on the wall in a photo frame.

By the way all photoframes do not have pics of the dead. Go to any Govt. office and see the pics of all our politicans- all of them are alive and kicking.

No more comments.

Very well said Roy I totally agree with you mathaus what happened to Xarax in the show in your home town how many board placements did he take????? FORGET ABT THE SEIGER SHOW.shaila's said any day any time the dog is better than Xado!!!!!Shaila's are you an SV Judge or the breed warden to comment on Xado a winner of multiple best in show pls keep ur shitty comments to ur self and not on the database no one can compare his dogs to Nooris dogs.

What happened to him in the show in his home town.shaila's said any day any time the dog is better than Xado!!!!!
Shaila's are you an SV Judge or the breed warden to comment on Xado a winner of multiple best in show pls keep ur shitty comments to ur self and not on the database no one can compare his dogs to Nooris dogs a very great GSD man.

well said hellboy, I think Mathus have some probs with Puma. May be fear? We all know tht Puma came to India & u took right name of the owner.
And also tip for Mathus that don't compair yourself with Noori. As the comment passed by Shaila's that Xarax is better than Xado any day any where. We want to see that what placing he'll got at seiger show.I think Mathus dog never contibute to improve the gsd's breed standard in India & still compairing himself with the man who is gave great dogs to India.

is Xarax Vom Fiemereck photoframe is hung up in ur house,mathaus u know when a dog is dead then only their photosframes r hung up??????????????ok,bye.

In Mahesh's house?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe in a photoframe hung on the wall?

Heard that this dog is with Mahesh Chaudry in Mumbai.

Where is this dog now? Kuwait? Anybody knows? Name of owner.

My dear friend martingeissler, you have not hurt my feelings, or sentiments as you put it.
It is obvious that English is NOT your first language and not to berate you, I find it admirable that you are trying to comment on judges critique in English, even though you are missing the subtleties and “spirit” of the message in a German judges korung/critique.
With that in mind I will attempt to educate you.
First off, I do not own Puma or any of his progeny so my statements are strictly in regards to what the judge has said, and how you have presented it, there is no sentiment or hidden agenda.
I would also like to tell you that I have no knowledge of his reproductive abilities or lack of listing of progeny on this site, neither of which has any bearing on his anatomical critique. You should be aware that some people may take what you have said as the truth when in reality it is NOT so.

I would like to repeat that * NO where in any of the critiques does it say "very tall(oversized)"
* NO where in any of the critiques does it say "too much bending in the rear(over angulated)"
Where did you get this information from????

As Schaeferhund correctly pointed out:
"Upper arm could be slightly longer and better angled"- which means upper arm
is short and steep."
No it doesnt ;-) It means it's not perfect. Could be SLIGHTLY shorter, could not be...
"CROUP MUST BE RATHER LONGER"- clearly means
croup is short."
Same thing. It does not mean the same!

I will give you some examples:
- When a judge says the wither is of “normal” height, the word “normal” does not mean good, it means just average, not good but not terrible.
- When a judge says the wither is “good” he does not mean that the dog has a “high” wither, it is only a polite way of saying better than ok, but should not be confused with “excellent” or “high”
- When a judge says moves closely from behind, he means the rear legs are not spread as wide in movement as they should be, he is NOT saying the dog is “cow-hocked”
- When a judge says the front reach is somewhat restricted he is NOT saying that the front reach is bad, he is only pointing out that it could be better.

The SV/German judges are pretty reserved with using words such as “excellent” or “admirable”, it is only when you see words such as these that are making a statement about the “superior quality “ of what they are commenting on.
I know it can be a bit confusing, especially when the language you are reading is not your primary language.

With all this said, hopefully you will have a better understanding on how to properly read, or read-into what the judge has to say.
Cheers....:-)

"Could be SLIGHTLY shorter, could not be..."

Should read -Could be slightly LONGER, of course.

I'm not from India, but...

"Upper arm could be slightly longer and better angled"- which means upper arm
is short and steep."

No it doesnt ;-) It means it's not perfect. Could be SLIGHTLY shorter, could not be...

"CROUP MUST BE RATHER LONGER"- clearly means
croup is short."

Same thing. It does not mean the same!

y dear friend, i am extremely sorry if i have hurt your sentiments.
i hope you might be the new owner of puma or might be owning a puma progeny.
not taking anything away from the dog, i stated the facts which the judges had
beautifully worded in his critique report-
eg- "Upper arm could be slightly longer and better angled"- which means upper arm
is short and steep.
Also in the report in 2004 urma book, it is stated good angle but croup is short.
But, YOU YOURSELF MENTIONED in the 2003 report that his croup is short and steep.
in 2004, herr Heinz Schreer has written "CROUP MUST BE RATHER LONGER"- clearly means
croup is short.
You mentioned another very interesting thing- LIGHT EYES!, which is AVOIDABLE in
any breeding programme. The report also says he is close-behind.
My friend, i am not against the dog but he is more than 4 years old,
(Date of Birth- 30/08/2002). Even in this database, he has just one female pup registered.
Also, he has not presented a progeny group with quality animals in germany till date.
SHOW ME ONE TOP RATED ANIMAL FROM PUMA.
after winning 12-18 months with a good position in 2003 and also a good position in
18-24 months in 2004. Later, he went on to claim a high V rating at the sieger show in 2005.
Everyone in the GSD world knew he was for sale at a very reasonable price.
Yet, if you are still hot headed about my so called "lies", explain it to the forum what
i mentioned is wrong and please substanciate with facts that he is a good producer.
I cant thank you enough for mentioning Herr Klause Gothe's report where it is stated that
PUMA HAS LIGHT EYES. (I DID not SAY IT!!!)

Here is his critique word for word from 2003, Klaus Gothe.

Very well pigmented, big, medium strong, typical, dry and firm dog. Powerful head, correct ears, rather light eyes. High wither, good back line. The croup is slightly short and steep, correct front, good forehand angulation though the front reach must be rather freer. Very well angled and well muscled hindquarters with powerful action and a roomy gait. He is one of the youngest in this class.

Here is his critique word for word from 2004, Scheerer again.

Big, strong and substantial, masculine head, expressive, good body proportions, high wither, firm back, the well angled croup must be rather longer. Correct angle of shoulder-blade.The upper arm must be slightly longer and better angled, very good hind angulation with powerful hocks. Balanced brisket proportions, clean front. Moves slightly closely behind and soundly in front demonstrating roomy fluent gait with powerful hind thrust and good front reach. As a Kevin son, Puma is a representative of the Rikkor Bad-Boll line and offers in bloodline a further good alternative. He was shown regularly and has always presented himself well.

* I still can not find the 2 negative comments you made, or should I say made up?

"This is Scheerer's critique word for word from the 2005 Sieger Show Working Class (almost identical to his critique from 2004)"

Big, strong and substantial, masculine head, expressive, good body proportions, dry and firm. High wither, firm back, the well angled croup must be longer. Correct angle of shoulder-blade, the upper arm must be slightly longer and better angled, very good hind angulation with strong hocks. Balanced brisket proportions, clean front. Moves slightly closely behind and soundly in front. Roomy fluent gait with powerful hind thrust and good front reach. The saddle should be more solid.

* NO where in either critique does he say "very tall(oversized)"
* NO where in either critique does he say "too much bending in the rear(over angulated)"
It appears that you have joined under the name of Martingeissler today so you could post fictious comments about this dog. It's very obvious that you must have some ax to grind re:Kevin & his progeny or you wouldn't post ficticious negative comments about the dog.
You are either a poor translator or an outright liar.

Did you really overhear that he is now in India but of no great utility to the Indian GSD breeding or is that some more of your made up story???

Just curious as to what your motivation would be to fabricate stories???

According to Heinz Schreer who judged Puma in the 18-24 month class.
very tall(oversized), strong, masculine, short croup, short-steep upper arm, close behind,
too much bending in the rear(over angulated).
this dog placed high in young class and even got
good placings in open class in his mother country Germany.
But even though he was the last flag bearer of his sire Kevin Murrtal,
because of his non producing ability (quality), he was sold off out of Germany.
OverHeard that he is now in India but of no great utility to the Indian GSD breeding.