Frohlich's Elsa v Grunes Tahl

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Frohlich's Elsa v Grunes Tahl 


ROM

Dam born: 04. August 1958

Frohlich's Elsa v Grunes Tahl

AKC  W960831 06-60
Hip: Not known - Elbows: Not known

Breed report

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Linebreeding


     

Pedigree


CH (A/C) V- Rikter Von Liebestraum male

1957
AKC W766123 12-57
HD-
Sire
CH (A/C) V- Rikter Von Liebestraum

SCHH1 ROM

1956 GV CH (INT US) Bill vom Kleistweg SCHH1 ROM male

1953
SZ 874027 (AKC W636720)
HD-
Sire
1956 GV CH (INT US) Bill vom Kleistweg

SCHH3

V2 Hein vom Richterbach SCHH3 male

1948
SZ 700070
HD-
Sire
V2 Hein vom Richterbach

SchH1

Adda vom Reiffeck SchH1 female

1950
SZ 763052
HD-
Dam

Sigga Von Liebestraum female

1958
AKC W584082 06-55
HD-
Dam

CH (US) Dolvick Von Liebestraum male

1950
AKC W259318 (8-51)
HD-
Sire
CH (US) Dolvick Von Liebestraum


Jade Von Liebestraum female

1950
AKC W181305
HD-
Dam

Burgunda von Lindendorf female


AKC W582621 12-57
HD-
Dam

SCHH2

V Harald vom Schlehenbusch SCHH2 male

1951
SZ 794588 (AKC W561608)
HD-
Sire
V Harald vom Schlehenbusch

SCHH3

V2 Hein vom Richterbach SCHH3 male

1948
SZ 700070
HD-
Sire
V2 Hein vom Richterbach

SchH1

Aggi vom Nibelungengold SchH1 female

1949
SZ 737259
HD-
Dam

CH. (US) Ylerta Von Liebestraum female

1950
AKC W381629 03-53
HD-
Dam
CH. (US) Ylerta Von Liebestraum

SCHH2

Dolf vom Volkerbrunnen SCHH2 male

1946
SZ 633226 (AKC W247306)
HD-
Sire

CH (US) Vania v Liebestraum female

1948
AKC W167811
HD-
Dam


User comments



firethorn
Comments: 7
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 05:50 am
Why did the American dogs change? Probably the same reason the German dogs changed to have upright sholders and banana backs. First, both wanted more topline. SO the Americans opened the shoulder angle to give a higher wither, then lengthened the second thigh to increase the slope on the top. And then wanted floating dogs that go with their heads up and look flashy. German dogs were shown differently, all that pulling and emphisis on hard backs, turn your shoulder up, whie still maintaining the angle at the upper arem and you have a plow horse front end. With the long second thigh the American dogs had no means of support and got very dirty going a way, while the German dogs developed the second plow horse fault, cow hocks. Unfortunately, in America we don't have a PC that will issue mandates about judging and thus eliminate faults and change, our club is run by conformation poeple who don't what to change.
I strongly feel that part of the American problem was that the German dogs were also changing to a look that they found distasteful. the American show breeders would not buy into the roach. Americans could no longer import dogs and show them and incorporate them with success.

Don't blame Lance, blame the show ring. Lance was pretty darn close to several significant German sires. But he was way overused and the show ring favored more and more extreme dogs. If you're in it to show, then you breed what will win.

This was a great girl and the foundation of Fran-Jo.
Louise M. Penery
Comments: 70
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 03:23 am
Drew: "Why did the US breeders change the breed so much from this?"

IMO, because this bitch was bred to Fortune of Arbywood and produced Lance of Fran-Jo, etc. Everyone thought that, if a little bit was good, more would be better--and heavily linebred on Lance and his ilk.
Drew
Comments: 3
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2007 04:08 pm
Nice looking dog. Why did the US breeders change the breed so much from this?
FerrumGSDs
Comments: 200
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 08:01 pm
August 4, 1958 - May 5, 1972


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