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2X VA1 Larus von Batu 


SCHH3
 Kkl 1 

Sire Born: 07. April 2000

2X VA1 Larus von Batu

SZ  2062960
Hip: SV: HD a-normal (a1) - Elbows: 0 - Normal
DNA: Geprüft

Breed report

Groß, mittelkräftig, gehaltvoll, betont männliches Gepräge. Beeindruckender Typ und Ausdruck, vorzügliche Gebäudeharmonie, betonte Gefügefestigkeit, korrekte Front. Ausgeprägter Widerrist, richtig gelagerte Kruppe. Optimale Winkelungen der Vor- und Hinterhand, besonders weit ausgreifendes Gangwerk mit kraftvollem Nachschub. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab.

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Pedigree

SCHH3

2X VA1 Yasko vom Farbenspiel male

1998
SZ 2010154
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
2X VA1 Yasko vom Farbenspiel

Groß, kräftig, typ- und ausdrucksvoll. Hoher Widerrist, fester Rücken, Kruppe von sehr guter Lage und Länge. Sehr harmonische Ober- und unterlinie, vorne und hinten sehr gut gewinkelt, normale Brust. Korrekte Front. Geradetretend werden bei kraftvollem Nachschub und freiem Vortritt raumschaffende Gänge gezeigt. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab. WA 2002: Der amtierende Zuchtsieger wird sehr frisch und temperamentvoll in ausgezeichneter Verfassung vorgestellt.

SCHH3

VA1 Ursus von Batu male

1995
SZ 1932624
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA1 Ursus von Batu

SCHH3

VA1(I) Hobby vom Gletschertopf male

1993
SZ 1859356
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA1(I) Hobby vom Gletschertopf

SCHH2

V Verena von Batu female

1992
SZ 1834230
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
SCHH3

VA1 Connie vom Farbenspiel female

1994
SZ 1903611
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
VA1 Connie vom Farbenspiel

SCHH3, ÉLITE A

V1 Eros von der Luisenstraße male

1992
SZ 1823810
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
V1 Eros von der Luisenstraße

SCHH2

Daggi vom Farbenspiel female

1990
SZ 1776909
HD-SV: HD a-noch zugelassen (a3)
Dam
 Daggi vom Farbenspiel

SCHH1

V Jitta von Batu female

1996
SZ 1983812
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Dam
V Jitta von Batu

Groß, mittelkräftig, gehaltvoll, sehr gutes Gebäudeverhältnis. Hervorragender Ausdruck, markantes Gepräge, dunkle Augen, korrekte Ohren, ausgeprägter Widerrist, harmonische Ober- und Unterlinie, gerade Front, ausgewogene Rippen-und Brustverhältnisse. Aus guter Vor- und sehr guter Hinterhandwinkelung demonstriert sie weit ausgreifende Gänge mit kraftvollem Nachschub in guter Gleichgewichtslage. TSB ausgeprägt; läßt ab.

SCHH3

VA1(ESP) Rocko de Quevedo male

1994
SZ 1975499
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
VA1(ESP) Rocko de Quevedo

SCHH3

V13 Ero von Batu male

1990
SZ 1797476
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Sire
V13 Ero von Batu

SchH2

V Palme von der Steinhägerquelle female

1989
SZ 1753795
HD-SV: HD a-normal (a1)
Dam
V Palme von der Steinhägerquelle

SchH3

V3 Danni vom Wildsteiger Land female

1993
SZ 1880894
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Dam
V3 Danni vom Wildsteiger Land

SCHH3, FH3

V Lux de Valdovin male

1990
SZ 1845138
HD-SV: HD a-fast normal (a2)
Sire
V Lux de Valdovin

SchH1

V Xieni vom Wildsteiger Land female

1990
SZ 1772412
HD-normal
Dam

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User comments



opofcabo
Comments: 1
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2013 09:01 pm
I now have 3 great grandsons and 2 great granddaughters (10 weeks old) of Larus's and they look gorgeous.
Keeping a big dark perfect male
 
sameh el mallah
Comments: 1
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 02:30 pm
Great legend, I am so proud to have a grandson son of larus, he is 8years now and still in good shape.


 
nowayout4670
Comments: 2
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 08:11 am
We have a 9 year old son of Larus that we use in our breeding program. You couldn't ask for a dog with a better disposition and he throws this in all of his puppies. Not to mention he has been a very healthy dog all of his life and at almost 9 years old our Vinotinto still thinks he's a pup. You can see his pic on our page at www.presleygermanshepherds.com
 
AlvaroAlaor
Comments: 2
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 09:36 am
I am the proud owner of a Larus grand grand son - Alaor Von Haus Mores, son of Veit Von Holtkamper Hof.

Very good lineage!
nfsf1 bmw s10
nfsf1 bmw s10
Comments: 254
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 09:57 pm
In China.
fer0604
Comments: 6
Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2005 03:47 am
where is he?
dansfla
Comments: 1
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 09:32 pm
I am lucky to have two females his granddaughter and great grandaughter. granddaughter his just a female him
gemmastar
Comments: 1
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 07:32 pm
super dog !


superbe!!!
lopez
Comments: 4
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:00 pm
Is this fantastic dog still alive? Thanks
naz2010
Comments: 88
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:09 am
You are gorgeous and each day with you is something special & you the dog of the top producer he has some of the best progeny on the past .Larus is an awesome looking Dog of which i know you will have to agree, if you do not agree then sorry you need your eyes tested ..
Vladmid
Comments: 2
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2009 04:23 am
If you see at Kwantum vom Klostermoor... And at Larus you will se that they look alike!! Larus is the best!
BAX VON DLT
Comments: 4
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 08:56 pm
THIS IS THE MOST BEATIFUL GERMAN SHEPARD THAT I EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE, CONGRATULATIONS, ITS MY FAVORITE DOG, AND EXPECTING ONE DAY WE CAN SEE A SON FROM LARUS WITH A VA1 IN GERMAN, NICE COLOR, EXCELENT BODY STRUCTURE, VERY GOOD TEMPERAMENT, AND EXCELENTE PROGENY WHAT ELSE WE CAN ASK FOR A DOG.
Kingston8
Comments: 83
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:16 pm
Sieger two years in a row, a stunning male he is to look at. He has produced many high quality progeny - many of his daughters and granddaughters are making superb offspring with Zamp today. Congrats.
aaron
Comments: 30
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2006 06:28 am
looking for female form larus von batu anyone have 1 there ?

pls send me pictures or contact me

djelio77a@hotmail.com
Martin
Comments: 87
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 06:16 pm
Picture by Magicon, fotoshop by csvclub :o)
pritam
Comments: 15
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2007 04:39 pm
where is he rt nw.
julio15
Comments: 28
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:04 am
HI,
YOU CAN SEE VIDEOS OF LARUS IN WWW.YOUTUBE.COM SEARCHING LARUS VOM BATU
torsti
Comments: 1
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2007 01:13 pm
The Breeder of Larus von Batu continues, visit www.vom-hoechstadter-wehr.de for more Details.

Yes, Larus was a great Dog. I saw him Live.
Chandan Kumar Tarlada
Comments: 1004
Joined: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:10 am
I wish a VA son from larus.
hectorsabila
Comments: 1
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 05:17 am
wow i like this dog and the picture.
julio15
Comments: 28
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:04 am
this dog is very beutifull!!!!!!!!!!!!111 wow
julio15
Comments: 28
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:04 am
this photo is very good !!! and the dog very beutifull.
m_zaki40
Comments: 25
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:02 pm
do you still have that puppies?
m_zaki40
Comments: 25
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:02 pm
i need the contacts of the owner of this dog
m_zaki40
Comments: 25
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:02 pm
i wish to buy a puppy from the breed
ladein
Comments: 20
Joined: Fri Nov 03, 2006 08:26 am
i write a comments with larus batu but there was a mistack i am writing larus prduced very quality puppy not he produced some very bad qualitys puppy one of them orry murrtal
ladein
Comments: 20
Joined: Fri Nov 03, 2006 08:26 am
larus batu is a very good dog but he produced some very qualitys puppys one of them orry murrtal
Traveller
Comments: 35
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 03:31 am
Larus had every opportunity to become a top producer but fell along way short.
2002 - VA9 - Too young for a progeny group.
2003 - VA2 - No progeny group.Why?
2004 - VA1 - Group but of poor quality.
2005 - VA1 - Group of better quality but still not up to the standard of a double Seiger.
2006 - No Group.
Yes Larus has produced some very good sons & daughters but compare the producing ability of Larus to Quantum Arminius & you can see he why he's no longer in Germany.Even after 4 or 5 years at stud Quantum was still able to get over 40 studs last year in Germany.

Rod.
Anu
Comments: 170
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 01:21 pm
And don't foreget his highest rated offsprings in the youth classes, SG2 Yenno and SG2 Yonna Huhnegrab!
Kennel Yxnarum
Comments: 23
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 08:02 am
Larus von Batu is one off the best !!
Look wath he have done.
Yimmy Contra.
Joschy Dänischen Hof.
Pascha vom Zellwaldrand.
Toni degli Achei
Xara vom Agilolfinger
Yilla vom Hühnegrab
jdh
Comments: 10
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 01:56 am
Larus like his many excellent brothers, uncles, and first cousins has had extensive stud usage. It is not particularly useful to the breed nor profitable to his owner to keep him breeding in Europe. He is of far more value to the Asian breed which has until now had very little access to him and in general has logistical difficulty because of distance and regulations. Unfortunately, Larus is another dog of unquestionable personal merit whose progeny fall a bit short. Contrast with Ursus who produced better than himself with consistency.
Sumakshi
Comments: 26
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2006 04:32 pm
why this beautiful dog sold to china?

KAPSLINE
Comments: 102
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 04:06 pm
MR. DHUNTE RAHE JAOGE.. RU AN SV JUDGE.... U THINK THT SV JUDGES OF GERMANY DONT KNOW ABOUT GSD.. BUT I THINK U DONT KNOW ABT GSD.. SO I SUGGEST U THT U SHOULD NOT GIVE HOPELESS, STUPID COMMENTS ABT GSD.. I THINK UR NOT A GSD BREEDER.. SO KEEP UR COMMENTS WITH U
sudi
sudi
Comments: 202
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2006 03:50 pm
Larus we love u always.
dhundhte_reh_jaoge
Comments: 12
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 01:45 pm
why he crowned as sieger twice god knows . erich made him sieger and he is out of sv. on which basis he has made sieger twice .we all know he is fantastic son of well deserved double sieger yasko the consistent and top producer but he is not a fantastic father. there are many beautiful dogs having rich colour ,big size ,large no. of progeny but if u r not giving any thing to the breed than why any one can make him double sieger. what he has produced only two males in first 50 dogs (GHKLR), only two females in first 50 bitches(GHKLH) one female is VA but we can't forget the dam the fantastic KARMA ,in young clases also he has produced only with VA or already recognised female . so in my view he is not consistant producer on his own and how can we make him the leader of the breed......
flyperper
Comments: 1
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:12 pm
I have Larus puppies for sale
J_F_U
Comments: 6
Joined: Sat Sep 17, 2005 08:54 pm
I think Larus is a nice looking dog I like his offspring but I think he is a little to short.
ashlad
Comments: 5
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:57 pm
gorgeous boy , among one of my favs..:0)
STAUDT - DK
STAUDT - DK
Comments: 82
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2005 02:24 pm
Sold to China.
noy
Comments: 6
Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2004 04:53 am
how much will cost me to buy a larus son or for my own dog to breed with hi?
Dr. Digambar Rana
Comments: 6
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:15 am
I find this dog good and have seen Ursus two years back. This dog resembles a lot to his father. But would have preffered a little more length (my own views).
No doubt he is a champ but his progeny and specially grand sons n daughters are getting good out of him.
Nice dog with excellent points to breed standards.
Good Luck.
STAUDT - DK
STAUDT - DK
Comments: 82
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2005 02:24 pm
I have in person seen Larus September 8th, I got my Kalina vom Laabermoos covered by him, and never seen so good "a total" GSD !
pastoralemao
Comments: 4
Joined: Sun Aug 29, 2004 04:23 pm
No other dog can beat Larus in the ring, but his father yasko. His progenese was ok. quanto progenesis had several dogs with poor pigmentation
Anu
Comments: 170
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 01:21 pm
Will Larus be sold to China or Japan???
Nicos
Comments: 20
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 09:43 pm
Progeny group was very sad. He looked OK when running walking was another story. One female was fantastic the VA bitch but her mother is the fantastic Karma.
There is not a male from him worth looking at.
The Sieger can only be Sieger again if shown.
Thank God it is over and may he have a nice life in China or Japan.
Déco
Comments: 22
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:17 pm
Congratulations one more time from Brazil to Larus his owner and breeder to be for the second year consecutive VA 1 !!!
Odin777
Comments: 30
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2003 07:03 am
Congrtulations to Larus for yet another year of reigning supreme with his fantastic progenies. Excellent work Larus, keep it going.
Dog1
Dog1
Comments: 58
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:29 pm
There are many comments about a dogs production when they first show what they are producing. You never hear the good ones. From sieger to sieger there is always the question what has he produced? It's always like this.

To go beyond the drift of the internet. Just look at some results and draw your own conclusions.

Under Mr. Scheerer, seven of the first 50 dogs at the sieger show in the JHKR were from Larus.

Under Mr. Zygato in the JHKH, five of the first 50 were from Larus.

That's better than 10% of the top group from Larus. Larus is not perfect, what he produces is not perfect. No dog is. For many he is an interesting male. He is the only sieger that has a sieger for a father and a grandfather.

In the US his offspring did well at our sieger shows. At our USA sieger show, three of the four youth siegers/siegerins were from Larus. At our WDA sieger Show, one of the 4 were.


Many throw out politics. There's obviously the appearance to many since Larus is sieger by his breeder. Remember it was not his breeder that put him SG1, 2001 or in the VA group. 2002.

As with all dogs, breed to them if you think it's a good male for your female.
skywalker
Comments: 169
Joined: Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:42 am
what is the general opinion about larus progeny lot of people dont seem very happy what they should expect from a seiger 04. but out of the line up of this year whos progeny is more promisin to look out for.

please mention names of the dogs and reasons for your thought.
Reiner
Comments: 18
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:23 am
Jack the Ripper,

you are right in 100%. And the same is fact by many other highrated males and females
Jack the Ripper
Comments: 4
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 05:39 pm
Larus impressed me very much when he was young (1 and 2 years old), like Bax. On last two sigershows he was presented in bad hair condition and everynone could see that he wasn't so perfect. I look forward but I think Ghandi (also not pefect) did more for this this bloodline. You can see his "french" front. Mamy dogs are punished by SV judges for this but when it concerns their best dogs they get blind. Look at pictures: http://www.arkonapark.hg.pl/karlsruhe_galeria.htm hmm ... look at the last fotos. It wasn't surprice that he get VA1 in Karlsruhe. Overybody knew it 12 months before. The Trophy with name of the siger was ready before the show :).
Fida
Comments: 7
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:29 pm

Going on to a different topic .
If Larus was to be sold off now how much do you think tghat he wud be worth.
Charisma
Comments: 31
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2003 08:18 am
A beautiful dog but I was dissapointed he seemed to lack the extra "Bling" thing
that some of those behind him had...
Yasko vom Farbienspiel still had a very convincing progeny group, time will tell,
Larus has not in all fairness had as many
matings as Ursus and Yasko.....
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
IMO no outstanding progeny from Larus at Karlsruhe - I was not impressed with his progeny group.
Dog1
Dog1
Comments: 58
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:29 pm
If we want to include females; lets not forget SG3 Xara who is already titled in the 18 to 24 class, SG16 Fendi, SG20 Quennja (already mentioned) and SG21Yasmin, SG36 Henni.
ice
Comments: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
Quennija von der Urbecke daugter of Larus SG 20
ice
Comments: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
Quill Urbecke son of Larus Batu SG 38
Dog1
Dog1
Comments: 58
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:29 pm
As you know it takes a lot including a good dog to make sieger, Showing, prodgeny, pedigree, judges overall opinion, Ring performance the day of the show, bitework, etc.

There certainly are many excellent dogs in the VA group and V group this year, the world will never agree 100% on which dog should be sieger. Breeders can either accept the dog and the judges decision or go with any dog of their choosing in hopes that their decision to support a dog will enhance it's chances to become sieger.

Right now it's hard to deny the success that comes from the Ursus line. There is diversity too. The line has produced not only excellent dogs but a variety of types. The Ursus type, the Yasko type, Larus type, Ghandi type.

The world is lookng for the dog to replace him. There is a good chance the dog is already born.

From the top group this year there are 4 dogs in the position to do well:

SG12 Richy

SG13 Pascha

SG24 Ronaldo

SG30 Scott

Check them out and see if there are any there with VA potential.

There are many that are in the top 20 that do not progress into the working class. A few that come from outside the top 10 to make their mark like Neptun. We will know in a few years if any of these dogs were able to make it into the VA group. There is still a long road ahead of these dogs.
gsd genetics
Comments: 9
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 04:25 pm

With all due respect to Larus lovers. what is so exceptional about him? what makes him the sieger? Just a big kennel name? what is the contribution of larus for the breed..Can any one name one exxceptionaly good dog out of his progeny cpabale to be a VA..

look at Orbit vom tronje,Quantum von arminius,Fritz vom farbenspiel, they have produced much better than this blue eyed boy of judge & breeder.
Latus hasn;t yet been able to produce like his father...... & may he will not, GSD world is full of better DOGS than larus.
Big B
Comments: 253
Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:57 am
CONGRATULATIONS FROM INDIA TO ALL ASSOCIATED WITH LARUS.
Déco
Comments: 22
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:17 pm
Congratulations from Brazil to Larus von Batu and his owners for the VA 1 title on Sieger 2004.
Brittany
Brittany
Comments: 167
Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 06:20 am
Congratulations to Larus for making VA1 Sieger for this year ( 2004)
Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
GOOD LUCK TO LARUS AND YOUR OWNERS!!

WE ARE CHEERING THAT YOU ARE THE 2004 GERMAN SIEGER! OORAH!!
Double B
Comments: 73
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:41 am
I think he ment that over 70 dogs are registed for the show.
Martin
Comments: 87
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 06:16 pm
Baxi,that is very optimistic. :)
Baxi
Comments: 51
Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2003 05:20 pm
There is a very good litter out of Larus in Hungary: the Y-litter from van Contra kennel. 5 brother, sister will shown in Kalsruhe: Yimmy, Yasmin, Yuppi, Yumbo, Yasper. All dogs are high rated in Germany, in Austria and in Hungary. More than 70 dogs will run in the Larus progeny group this year.
Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
Congrats to Larus! VA1 Austria past weekend.
MLTWest
Comments: 10
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 01:09 pm
Larus daughter - Eischa v. d. kleinen Birke

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/401000.html
Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
Irregardless of what people have to say about Larus, he still gives me goose bumps when I look at his picture. I hear that he's so much more striking in person. I hope his progeny group is very convincing to propel him to 2004 German Sieger.

Go Larus!
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
Hello Ice (Dietmar) I know that Quill von der Urbecke (m) & Quennja von der Urbecke (f) & Ferrari von Wilhendorf (f) & Carin vom Wildsteiger Landhaus f) % Greta von der Freiheit Westerholt (f) & Pancho von der Rangauhohe (m) Richy vom Westervenn (m) & Racker vom Westervenn (m) & Quattrogardens Bine (f) Pascha vom Zellwaldrand (m) & Hanni von dem Waldgraben (f) and certainly two of his best sons, in my opinion, Scott vom Emkendorfer Park (m) & Ronaldo vom Zellergrund (m)(look out for this one)
are all doing very well in the show ring this year, and several others are being placed fairly high in their clases. It is obvious LARUS will have a progeny group at this years Sieger Show.
I, and I am sure many others, will be studying them very closely. We will be looking for some outstanding dogs, male & female, and also looking for depth of quality in the progeny group.
I certainly want LARUS to be a 'PRODUCER' - he has much to offer, but please remember NOT every dog with much to offer, actually gives it to his offspring.
ice
Comments: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
Relax David or I pay not a beer for us again.Ha,ha.
Dietmar
Dog1
Dog1
Comments: 58
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:29 pm
There are a few offspring from Larus doing well at the shows in Germany. The results do not indicate the quailty of the class. It will be interesting to see how they place in the end.
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
Ice, are you making this personal?
My comment is about the male you pointed out.
You may view my kennel on www.videxgsd.com
You may also read my IMPRESSIONS 2003 SIEGER,
You may also read about me.

Now you can provide information about yourself.

Heather, I fully understand what you mean, there appears to have developed over the last year or so an inevitability about it.
This is why I want to raise the criteria for a Sieger to the forefront. I have always said: there are many more Judges on the outside of a GSD Show Ring, than on the inside, and ALL of those international Judges can watch, observe and judge all of the aspects, including conformation, movement, pedigree, progeny, and the other competitors.

David Payne
Heather
Comments: 323
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2003 09:55 pm
Solo, I fully agree with your comments on the requirements of a Sieger, re a number of points. However, my prediction of Larus being Sieger was not on what I thought should be the VA group but was based on what i thought would be the VA group and unfortunately there is a difference as you know. The progeny group of Larus will be there for us all to see and I'm sure we will make up our own minds on the day if he deserves the title or not, but I am fairly certain he will attain it regardless. You never know we may all be pleasantly surprised by the group, we will see
ice
Comments: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
Do you have a better one???? If yes show me
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
An Average male
ice
Comments: 81
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
http://www.urbecke.com/gallery-male/gallery.htm
Son of Larus Batu
solo
Comments: 165
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:37 pm
I am very surprised so many talk about LARUS becoming the 2004 SIEGER, surely his being bred by the Judge has NOT influenced their opinion.
A Sieger must fulfill many requirements, including a clear indication of his ability to produce excellent PROGENY. I may have missed some, but I have NOT seen any outstanding progeny from LARUS. I have seen mainly mediocre to average quality of progeny from him so far. I approach the 2004 Sieger Show with an open mind, but I will pay considerable attention to the PROGENY from LARUS, and will look to its depth of quality, as well as some outstanding individuals, that one should expect from a potential SIEGER.
If, as I have heard said, LARUS may become SIEGER because of his conformation and type, I would emphatically state, that in my opinion there are several males better than LARUS in this aspect, namely ZAMP, ANDO, PAKROS, to name a few.
I look forward to the Sieger Show, and I will report my opinion regarding the Show, including the choice of Sieger in my much read articles SIEGER IMPRESSIONS.
David Payne
www.videxgsd.com

Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
See Spago Vom Haus Kuruc. Very nice Larus son. Developing very nice.
Dyanesh
Comments: 86
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 09:08 am
I can keep looking at this picture all day!!!

Is he really this beautiful??
Baxi
Comments: 51
Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2003 05:20 pm
There is two excellent Larus son in Hungary: Pancho Rangahöhe and Quax Daenischen Hof. Both of them are faboulos but Quax is a little bit agressive with other dogs 8-)
Lars
Comments: 2
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:35 am
I have seen 3 puppies of Larus from this year and they were all outstanding...
very much like sire in type and color,
2M, 1F... clones!
Anyone else...?
goldfever
Comments: 3
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 06:51 pm
This is the best male i have ever seen!!!
Congratulations to the owner!
Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
Please! Can you people stop! Your comments are not appropriate on the great dog's narrative. Your comments have nothing to do with

"Have you used this dam/sire? How are its progeny doing in real life? Your experience with temperament, work ability, etc..

Let other breeders know and read about your experience with this dog".

Move it over to the messageboard or better yet, talk privately!
Carly
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Brits, add-on : That's Afg*h*ani and Northern Alliance. WE wouldn't want you getting confused now would we?

You know Brits, I bet there are A+ students where you supposedly go to school. At 20 I sure hope you're not talking high school? What's their secret? I think if people can get A's at the same school someone complains because they can't that it must not be the schools fault.
Dontcha see the pattern?
Wolf
Wolf
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>>>Wolf, LOL I sure feel the pressure, or wait?!?! Do I? well at lest you're not an American so it doesn't tell us Americans that we have the biggest attitude problem. I had enough of you so feel free to post but as of I who is alot mature will not even reply to you as your not worth my time.<<<

Attitude, maybe. But we can sure see who has an IQ problem. As for time, you sure seem to have a lot of it - maybe you should spend more of it reading and learning, rather than flapping your mouth at everyone. Mature? You can not speak of maturity, my dear, in the same thread where you've threatened to "bash the hell outta" people. Give me a break.
Carly
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Brittany - 1st off you can blame democrat MacKay for your failure to master the English language, since those were your formative years for reading and writing. 2nd - It's hilarious the way you do 'selective' bad grammer. Quite the ruse..lol. 3rd - If you are referring to U.S. funding the Northern Coalition in the Russian/Afgani war. Please show me where anyone in the U.S. government dealt with bin Laden directly. bin Laden was merely a soldier in that coalition, nothing more and the media has twisted that one so bad that it makes those of us who know laugh. What do you think about Clinton letting bin Laden go in '96 because it was election time and he didn't want to bog down his campaign with possible conflict with al qaeda? Remember that? This is probably the first time you ever heard it. Those of us that know what led up to 9-11 are madder than hell about it. But, you are young and haven't a clue. You can hardly be blamed for not checking out sources. You'll learn in time to do that.

On last thing, another message board talks about you. About how you made alias to talk with yourself, among other unpleasantries you seem to have done to them. I'm keeping an eye on you.

Have a nice day
Brittany
Brittany
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Wolf, LOL I sure feel the pressure, or wait?!?! Do I? well at lest you're not an American so it doesn't tell us Americans that we have the biggest attitude problem. I had enough of you so feel free to post but as of I who is alot mature will not even reply to you as your not worth my time. Carly, Yes Money is everything... especially for education and NOT FOR WARS. Do you know how much are American teachers are getting each year? NOT enough. The war money ( the whole 85Billion dollars) should go to the teachers who helps to bring in the future. Sorry if your a warmonger like your Ole Bush is but Hey! Wasn't Bin laden in the CIA? Also Saddam was given a master key to Detroit! Dontcha see the pattern?
solo
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There are always exceptions to the rule. breeding is NOT an exact science. Producing bloodlines are always very important in any breeding programme. A Sucessful kennel can be an indication of a sucessful breeder, it can also indicate the Kennel has excellent opportunity to assist in the recognition of its stock and its promotion and in the case of males, their use as Stud Dogs. Obviously there are many aspects to achieving 'producing bloodlines'
Preston
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As with any stud dog the actual confirmation of that dog serves only as a statistical predictor of what he may produce and is only of limited value.
History has proven countless times that a stud dog with only fair to good front angulation, layback and posturnum, can occasionally produce excellent fronts when bred to a bitch of similar confirmation. Also possible is a mediocre result when the same stud dog is bred to a bitch with an excellent or outstanding front. Also possible (and frequently the result)is for a stud dog and bitch with excellent fronts to produce most progeny with mediocre fronts.

The obvious conclusion is this: it matters most what each animal can produce when bred together in combination with certain lines which breeders have learned are productive matchups. It matters what each animal is known to produce when bred to animals of certain lines. And of course there are always exceptions. We all know of cases where a certain breeding produced a top confirmation animal and when the breeding was repeated multiple times it produced nothing of merit confirmation-wise.
Knowledge of what produces what is the essential information often known to seasoned breeders, judges and breed wardens and is gained only from many years experience. A good breed warden is literally worth his weight in gold. Batu kennels is a top kennel. Why? Not because of chance but because its very experienced owner/breeder/judge has extremely valuable knowledge in his head and knows how to use it productively to get a top animal. Occasionally a great producer is an animal which only has good confirmation and not great confirmation. I have found this is escpecially true of bitches. When attempting to acquire a bitch to breed, acquiring that bitch from lines with a poor producing record overall is almost always inferior to acquiring a bitch with fair to good confirmation from the very top producing lines.
Dawn G. Bonome
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A friend of mine went to the Seiger show and fell in love with Larus.

He is a good looking Shepherd!
ice
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Hi
I agree what you say in many thing's, only which a dog or humans is perfect.???? Not each....!!!!!!
Two equivalent dogs (the mating) VA 1 male and VA 1 female,the resulted in is not the perfect dog.
What your judgement is ,as judge,has not to be the judgement of a other one ( judge). You know that like me too.
Everyone should be honest,is that what I have better yes or no....
Has my female a (short croup,short upperarm)?????
If no take the dog (stud male)your choice.
Whereby into after the judgement of the judge comes.Good or bad, (short croup yes or no,short upperarm yes or no....)
And with much luck was the result super

solo
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Hello ice (Dietmar) my very old friend. You know me very well, and accept I have no envy, thank you.
Back to Larus, I really believe taht Larus must produce, and I really do look forward to seeing his progeny next year at Karlsruhe. Many more GSD enthusiasts around the world, are looking forward to seeing them. A somewhat steep upper arm, and a short croup, are not bad faults, but they are faults which are obvious, and breeders need to be aware of. Can you imagine a breeder in the USA sending a female to Larus, to improve the croups in the litter. or to improve the front angulations. We must be honest about excellent qualities, and obvious faults, something which is not always the case with our TOP VA males. I remember seeing an article in a DOG Weekly Newspaper, when Quando Arminius was made Sieger, it read: Quando is Crowned Sieger - THE PERFECT GERMAN SHEPHERD.
There are many people around the World who think just the same, they think if a dog makes Sieger oe attains VA, then it must be PERFECT.
We must ensure they know the truth about the SELECTION OF A SIEGER, AND THE VA's, and of their many plus points, and their few minus points. I would like to use Larus on one of my females during the next year, for his many plus points.
ice
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Aha, aha,
Solo is David, the old friend of mine.You know, who I'm also.
It was not envy from you. that's right.
But you know, like me, the pup of Larus are very young. Many thing's what you did say about him are true. Which a dog has it earned VA 2 ?????? What do you think ????
The the upperarm and croup is not everything.A good transmission likewise.
Dietmar
Wolf
Wolf
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Oh, gee, I AM the same age as Brittany. Sure makes me look good, doesn't it. At least i'm not American, so I feel no pressure to get into that particular line of conversation.

I'm not going to go through this again, but Brittany, honestly - while you're out learning spelling and grammar, try and learn the difference between "bashing", criticism, and opinion.

David said he liked the dog. You don't even have to read between the lines to spot that one. His entire point was overlooked. I understood what he said completely, and I agree, for what it's worth.

Hopefully, this will get back on track sometime soon.
Carly
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WEll Brittany, Money IS always more important than lives isn't it. I mean that's what you're saying right? Let's add it up, Saddam =<1 million,, Clinton >3,000. And if we had coughed up some cash before and done something maybe those numbers would be a lot better. But then again,, ALL that money you're so worried about. You're so right, LIves aren't worth the money. Think before you strike Kid
Brittany
Brittany
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Oh let me fix up my Error... Did i say 85Million dollars? Lets try 85 BILLION dollars. If you don't like education but love war then go ahead and vote for this loser for sec term :)
Brittany
Brittany
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Kerry,
My youth? Well im 20 now and yes i might not have the best spelling and grammar in the world but you don't have to rub it in me! OH! and Jeb Bu$h is the govener in my state so if my spelling/grammar is bothing you to go right ahead and complain to him about the lack of education! I will even tell you my school name. This includes George Bu$h for wasting a whole 85Million dollars into reparing the Iraq country, which that money could of went to people like me who wants to get a better education.

Schaeferhund, your right :)

Ice, I gotta love you! All theses people whos bashing Larus are ashame that they don't have a dog like Larus! Thats why they will never show their faces and dogs in germany in the sieger show because the germans will point and laugh!
solo
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Would it be too much to ask ice and Double B, and anyone else who has difficulty reading the written word, to just read my first line again,
"VA2 at the 2003 Sieger Show, Larus von Batu, a superb male with excellent colour, his father’s type," can you please read what is says - slowly. and just in case you are struggling, here it is again:
"VA2 at the 2003 Sieger Show, Larus von Batu, a superb male with excellent colour, his father’s type,"
Is it too much to hope that those words are understood? Then you can read the rest, but please try, really try, and remember my first line, It does NOT disappear. It is written.
Double B
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Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:41 am
I understand both sides, I like Larus very much when he became youth siger, but in his 2 years working class he didn`t impressed me that much.
solo
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ice, you really should engage your brain when you write. I do not know what envy feels like. I know I have an honest opinion about Larus, I also know you do not fully understand my comment. Feel free to visit http://www.videxgsd.com - maybe you will learn something, even a little will be more than you apparently know at present.
Oh! I would also be obliged if you would provide your identity and web-site. We could ALL then compare. I will not hold my breath.
ice
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Solo,
you seems to be enviously about Larus is that right????
Show me the dog what you have in your kennel
solo
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VA2 at the 2003 Sieger Show, Larus von Batu, a superb male with excellent colour, his father’s type, including his somewhat steep upper-arm, and short croup. I was very disappointed he did not present a progeny group, and like many others, I find it unacceptable for a male to be graded VA without a progeny group, and for a male to achieve Vice-Sieger without a progeny group, really is too much, this also happened last year with Untox vom Ducati, this Judging practice at the Worlds premier breed show should be closely examined within the SV.
nummer ein
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wow odin uve become a judge.......Keep up da good work!!!.....uve started sounding intelligent after all;)!!!
Regards
Abhai Kaul
Odin777
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Medium sized dog,expressive, good pigmentation with good forequarter angulation the length of upperarm should have been a longer, good overline and underline but there is shortness in the croup and also slightly steep in that section . As far as the progeny is concerned there are restrictions in the croup aspects and some pups have a tendency to have a short back.The progeny so far is not that impressive , he has to come up with really good progenies to hit for the top.
This is what I found seeing the pictures so far.
Schaeferhund
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No, Larus is a good dog. And I'm not Herr Martin to influence the breed this huge way (at least, not yet ;) ) But when I now choose males for my females, the last thing I go by is their placings. I do see all the dogs in person quite a lot (the advantage of being in germany :)) and know their strenghs and weaknesses and I see them bite, and then I choose. From what I've seen from Larus I will not use him on any of the females I have now. As simple as that. Thank God we can chose from a variety of absolutely fabulous dogs from the VAs AND the few dozens other top dogs of BSZS.

And about jealousy. I know there are a few people that go around giving out about every top dog in the ring. But most people just do have their preferences. If I'm not jealous of Bax, why should I be jealous of Larus? :)
I also wonder why people act so hurt when you point out a weakness in a top dog. We all know he's got a steep arm and short croup, why are we not allowed to say it out loud? What is it? Cult of personality, communism? Come on, lighten up... No one is going to take his VA2 from him ;)
Big B
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I think Mr.Schaferhund didn't get my point.I was a novise when the judge corrected my approach and I accepted that it was an eye-opener and at the moment I have 2 Champion GSD males and some more champions in other breeds also.We're all talking big here as if after the Martins the resposibility to develop the GSD is on us,when most of us will never even have the good fortune to see a dog of Larus's calibre live,leave aside owning or breeding one.A dog rated SG1 and then VA twice by the SV president must have more plus points than minus.We can shout from the roof top that he's a bad dog(as we're jealous that we will never be able to have a dog like him),but does it really matter?
Schaeferhund
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"Poor Larus, if he only knew!"

He wouldn't care less. It's the good thing about the dogs, they don't give a damn how they look and who thinks what of them, as long as they're petted, fed and played with. :))
Kerry
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"Ooookay, let's see if I can go through this point by point."
Nice job, Wolf, and a very kind approach.
Poor Larus, if he only knew!
Kerry
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Brittany, I'll say this as politely as I can. Your youth and innocence cannot be defended if you keep posting 8th Grade caliber nonsense like this. We can't grow you up, you'll have to do it yourself, but your postings lack maturity. If you want to be ignored, keep it up.
Van
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Hey folks - Try and know a con when you see one. nUff SaiD
Schaeferhund
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Only fool sees a dog as perfect too though. As it's been said before, if you don't see the weeknesses you can't complement, balance and improve.
I think seeing your own dog as perfect and finding flaws in everybody else is a totally different story, I guess the judge was beeing polite trying to say something else ;)
Big B
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Some years back when I started showing and thought that I've the best dog and others have crap and was finding faults in every dog.A respected judge told me "even fools can find faults in a dog because that's much easier than finding the plus points".It was an eye-opener.I've seen Larus from SG1 to this position and think he's a top dog and if he produces the way he looks he can easily be the numero uno next year.
Wolf
Wolf
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Ooookay, let's see if I can go through this point by point.

First, I do have respect for newcomers. I'm not exactly an oldy myself here - barely older than you, actually. Second - yes, perhaps it is a bit immature. But really, compared to most of what you've said in this thread alone, it's mild. Third...pointing out a dog's faults is not bashing. Sometimes comments are spawned by jealousy, yes, but mostly they are just honest opinions. Where am I now...forthly? Alright - yes, Larus was vize-sieger. Yes, he's a good dog. But even a good dog has their faults, and there is nothing wrong with discussing them maturely and openly.

Fifth...education. I've watched people attempt to educate you on several occasions with various degrees of success. Usually, not much, as good advice born of experience is usually met with the "someone told me this so it must be true" approach. Nuh-uh, doesn't work that way. And...sixth. My resume is hardly impressive enough to impress someone like you, sorely lacking as it is in experience. Knowledge, yes, but experience? Not quite yet. But i've worked hard for that knowledge for years now, and the most important component of that learning was talking and listening to people who really do know what they're talking about. I listen, I learn, I take my time. I haven't bred a thing and it'll be a long time before that day comes. The difference between you and me is that I am willing to wait for my opportunites to come along, and learn as much as I can along the way, instead of forcing my uneducated opinions on everyone else, who would sit there shaking their heads at me as everyone does to you now. That's why you need to heed the advice you're given, even if it's from me - resume not withstanding.

Gee, I think that covered everything.
Brittany
Brittany
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Wolf, by the way... Besides shaking your head at my posts.. why not give me an email K9Wolfz@hotmail.com and try educating me a bit? By not saying anything.. how am i suppose to learn? I certainly cant learn with people saying that my posts are ridclous... PS send me your resume (Including all of the dogs that you own and titled and gave conformation titles too) as I would like to be educated by an experienced conformation/Sch trainer. Hope to hear from you soon :)
Brittany
Brittany
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Wolf, try having alittle bit respect to new comers. By coming here and telling that their post is ridiculous sounds immature, don't ya think? Were all adults here so lets "ACT" like one. I think most people who's bashing on this dog is jealous because they don't have a dog like Larus, nor can afford it either. According to the results for this years Bundessigerzuchtschau Results that hes 2nd place in the VA category So he couldn't be that horrible :)
Wolf
Wolf
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Brittany you're incompetent. I don't know how many times i've sat here shaking my head at your postings. If you cannot recognize a dogs faults how will you ever correct them? No dog is perfect, and openly admitting a dogs faults is the only way to share information and help newcomers (like you) learn to NOT be kennel blind, but to recognize strengths *and* weaknesses. Your post is ridiculous. If you want to be taken seriously you need to grow up and start listening to more experienced people.
Schaeferhund
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That is very mature Brittany! :))))))) I'm sure you will be very constructive too.

Solo, I totally agree. I'd sign it twice. :)

solo
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Well Brittany, I will have to risk your wrath. Larus is a beautiful male, colour, type, proportions, but like every GSD he does have his faults, which breeders have to be aware of. This does not mean to say breeders should avoid using him, it means if you want this males attributes, which are many, then use him on a female which has excellent upper arm angulation, and an excellent croup. It may also be wise that she is not too big either. The nature may produce a lovely litter where maybe one puppy has EVERYTHING perfect, or several close to the Larus type, with hopefully some improvements. This is called 'progressive breeding' - fully recognising all the positives, and trying to reduce the negatives, withy each breeding. having said that, most breeders always have to compromise. Where you compromise is what matters. In the end NATURE will decide.
Brittany
Brittany
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Can somebody PLEASE update Larus picture? This isn't the best picture in the world of him so lets change it a bit? Anyhow I love Larus! I don't care what his problems are... I still love him! I have never seen such beautiful animal in the world as much as him! I am a true dedicator and decided to place 1 of his pictures onto my wallpaper so i can observe this gods creature :)

If anybody tries bashing him because of the upper arm bullcrap that i better not see anything deforming on any of you guys body because im going to bash the hell outta you just like you bashed Larus!
jackpot
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try http://www.larusbatu.de/ maybe they can help you
samson
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I am looking for larus litters. can any one please tell if their are any.
tchontchon
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Hi every one

Last December on the 7 th I wrote a comment on larus, I Predicted him high VA this year, he realised VA 2 behind Bax because Bax Progeny is more important in number and has some working dogs, but today Larus still my favourite and my best type of dog
well done the breeder, the driver and the trainner,

ELIAS
Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
Congratulations Larus VA2! From your son Spago vom Haus Kuruc and his mother Oxa vom Haus Kuruc VA1 Siegrin Argentina 2003.
Clive
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Yes I agree too.I saw few puppies out of this super dog.His progeny to me is very good,but we have to wait till 2004 when he will be backed by top progeny to win the Sieger title.Super Dog
Jman
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Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
He is producing awsome puppies! We just got back from Argentina with a pick male puppy from this year's VA1 Female (Argentina) and Larus. The puppy looks awsome so far at 9 weeks. Full of spirit, great pigment, great attitude, very black and red.

Good luck Larus at the Siger Show! Your baby will be cheering you on from sunny California.
Double B
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Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:41 am
Your are right he had untill now 17 studmonth,but only progency of the first 1,5 month are able to go to the siegershow.
nummer ein
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WOW! Larus HAS produced some REALLY nice puppies! He is a GREAT dog and seeing from his progeny regd. on this site, I can say that he is undoubtedly producing VERY NICELY too!
Great goin Larus and BEST OF LUCK....UR DA BEST!
Regards
Abhai.
Natalia
Natalia
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For 17 months he should be able to produce some dogs who are 12 months and older, but, OK, may be there are really only few who'll be shown at the BSZS. However, do you know how many bitches did he breed in total? I'm just curious, this dog must have been used very intensively...
ice
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Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 01:07 pm
they are too much young
Natalia
Natalia
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Larus has been used in breeding for 17 months and this is enough for presenting a progeny group (there should be enough progeny who reached 12 months). If the group is not presented there should be some reasons ???
Wiehenalle
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this year he has no progency group.because he has only bred to 15 females in the time for sieger show.but at the next year he will have a good progency group
ice
Comments: 81
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Hi
you can be sure Larus has a great chance to be the winner next year about his kids.
Year 2003 impossibel but 2004
We also have 3 top pup of him
Please take a look to
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/387818.html
or
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/387938.html
Odin777
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Visum

As you call yourself to visum I am not sure what you think about the dogs without seeing and you go on to comment on dogs just like that. Anyway this shouldnt be your attitude. Pictures are very misleading.
So grow up and enjoy the essense of this breed in the true way.
Larus is also my liking , he is truely glamourous dog.
I am hearing that this time Bax has a great chance to be a seiger.
I am looking forward for Hill's progeny .
I am from India and staying in Calcutta.
The present dog standard in Germany is dropping compared to the previous years, what do you think.
Anyway good luck to Larus
Preston
Comments: 96
Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2003 04:19 am
Chad, I think you misunderstood me.
Larus has Fast Normal (A2) hips.
I am curious as to whether he can
contribute to producing A1 normal
hips in greater fequency than would
be expected from A2 sires. The problem
in discovering this is that one would have
to carefully analyze all the females recors (their hip confirmation, and pedigree depth for A1). After a few years it typically becomes known if a sire is an influence for
improvement in hip confirmation, such as Esko has been. It would be much easier to predict hip producing ability (holding all other factors constant) if Germans had a two year hip rating instead of a one-year, which is not as reliable. Elbows are a serious problem in Germany that is typically not addressed openly. I think that an elbow rating certification program at one and two years old would be a great idea.
chad
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The latest comments on this excellent male suggest he should produce better hips, unless Preston has information which others are not privledged to then due to the fact his first prodgeny have only just been graded I find it hard to see how he is not producing hips to the required standard, it might be that Preston is going by his breed worth value of 102 which is only the result of his genetic background and the production of his sire and dam,the problem with comments made by people who do not understand the breed worth system is that when read by others who also do not understand is that this dog will be condemed for bad hips even before we have any results.Bear in mind if we all went by the dogs genetic makeup and not his ability to produce we would not use Larus because of his STEEP upper arm, will he produce this fault only time will tell but until then look at his other qualities which far outway this one fault , Larus is a class MALE.
Preston
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A very well pigmented classy dog
with good male type. I have two concerns
about him: can he contribute to producing better hips than he has? ; and can he produce a better shoulder confirmation than he has? This is always a possibility depending on what set of genes he carries in relation to the bitches he is bred to.
(I believe that he has a lower shoulder bone (upper arm) of sufficient length which is too steep, inhibiting his front reach slightly. I think that the layback of his shoulder blade is correct. No dog is perfect and overall he appears to deserve the select rating.
Ztefan
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I to think Larus is a great dog, but he will not go VA1 this year, He will have to show something first, then I think he will place higher.

But good luck Larus.
Jman
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Nummer Ein,

Here--here...... I too agree, Larus VA1. Beautiful specimen. I hope he starts producing wonderful progeny. I dream of the day to see the PERFECT DOG....
nummer ein
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one of my favs. Superb construction, except the less than perfect fore arm. Wud luv to see this dog become VA1 in Ulm. Resembles Odin's type. Seriously deserves to be in the league with gis ansestors. Go get 'em Larus!
Visum
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Dear Sean, You are not very big fan of Larus. But Im crazy about Larus thats the difference. About his short upper-arm: Well I was wondering that something was wrong with my opnion I thought I was wrong untill I realised many other people too think the same so it was just that, I have not lost any love for Larus..... I am only wondering weather he will prove to be a Great influence (if he is all that he is made out to be) these are just opnions and queries not statements! So chill out buddy. :-)
Schaeferhund
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Sean, no one said that Larus was a bad dog. This answers are tiring. He's NOT a bad dog, he's got a bad upperarm. Faults very well HAVE to be singled out, so that they can be IMPROVED!
But if the Körbericht says something like "Optimale Winkelungen der Vor- und Hinterhand" and then you see the dog, you start wondering.
Sean
Comments: 35
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 10:44 am
Hello Visum. Again when commenting on a dog do not single out a fault/ faults look at the total dog, anyone who knows the German shepherd would not have to be told about Larus`s upper arm, a less than perfect upper arm does not make a dog a "bad dog". Larus is not one of my personal favourites even though he is a super dog. His future in my opinion depends on his ability to produce. Comments like "Martin I agree with you on this, infact I have had this opnion for quiet a while but the Dog is SO big I thought twice untill I read your msg.. He has excellent breeding behind him, but is he really all that we are making him out to be?" sends the wrong message, he may very well be all that he is made out to be time will tell.
Visum
Comments: 277
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
Ursus with His excellent progeney of such high quality, is going to be remembered for a very long time and his name'blood has already been carried forth by such top GSDs Yasko Farbenspiel, Larus Batu, Ghandi Arlett, Quentin Karanberg, Whisky BierstadterHof... just to name the top! So I mean Larus's Grand father has rightfully taken key from his Super Grandfathers Jeck and Zamb. So his influence is unforgetable!
Mr.Reiner this is just My observation. I love Ursus and his babies!
Reiner
Comments: 18
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:23 am
to Visum:
What do you mean wit "indelible impact". Please spell it out", thanks for reply
Visum
Comments: 277
Joined: Sat Jun 14, 2003 07:54 am
Martin I agree with you on this, infact I have had this opnion for quiet a while but the Dog is SO big I thought twice untill I read your msg.. He has excellent breeding behind him, but is he really all that we are making him out to be? Does this Dog have it to be one among Odin (Zamb and Jeck)? his grand father(Ursus) has however left an indelible impact on the breed, from among all the recent Seigers.
All Said I too am a Fan of Larus.. so all the best at Ulm.
Martin
Comments: 87
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 06:16 pm
Hmmm, this dog does not have a good forhand at all. One can see it better on the new picture.
Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
Does anyone have any addtional pictures other than those posted of recent puppies from Larus?
Ole
Comments: 51
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2003 08:44 pm
Saw some Larus puppies a coupple of weeks ago, and they were really impressing. Very much Larus in them. Looking forward to see more of what he can produce.
Jman
Comments: 26
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2003 02:50 pm
Go Larus! Good luck in Germany this year at the Sieger.


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