Best Working line German Shepherd breeder of the Decade? - Page 10

A problem in arguing anything on the breed, is that the "breed is segmented. We now have:

WGSL
WGWL
DDR dogs
CZ dogs
thesubstrate of sport WL dogs vs real world LE dogs

Breeders market to their market. They play to their strengths. The market segmentation makes it hard to do an "apples to apples" comparison.

Very true.

johan

"Every GSD in german is from sportlines because they need to have SCH-title, doesn´t mean they are only a "sportdog" in character."

that's the problem. there are too many dogs with sport title who by their nature not even conform into such category.
schutzhund discipline was envisioned as a tool to test each german shepherd dog to be adequate in accordance to main purpose of the breed - to be a working dogs. if dog was weak in protection but excel in tracking, no one wrote off such dog. that dog was used in field of own excellence and been mated to another dog with similar quality to have a good line of tracking dogs. same was applied to dogs who excel in herding, protection, guide/assistant dogs, etc.
today SchH and its derivatives do not considering real value of dog's practical qualities but just a scripted up choreography and its execution for which dog being awarded certain useless points and which don't make dog better itself in anything other than earn for owner cash as stud or a bitch, turned into brood mill.

Hundmutter
"Pissed off that you can denigrate the work of our UK LE so casually, they don't deserve your disrespect."

c'mon. i'm not discriminating of which country or who's dog owner and you well aware of this. if i see a good dog or weak dog, irregardless of location, i say so unequivocally.
video of Pluto wasn't too bad. at least not dramatic but rather quite funny :)

Many dogs that I know from the "Czech" lines are very antisocial, unbalanced ... and many owners are happy because their dog attacks strangers, does it socialize the dogs? Or are they in their kennel without seeing anyone? that's why I like them mixed, 70% sporty 30% Czech for example

tx-

Improper socialization and/or improper training will mess up any dog, not just Czech WL
Proper socialization will vary, depending on the intended purpose and personality of the dog.

I'm very happy with my Czech WL GSD. I got her from an excellent breeder, who not only breeds well, but also raises the puppies well before they go to their new homes. Yes, she's civil, very high drive, and very high energy. That doesn't make her antisocial or unbalanced. She's very protective, but won't attack a stranger or known person unprovoked.

 

English is not my main language and I don't think you understand me. In the United States I think that Czech and DDR lines are in "fashion", in Europe they are seen less and less, breeders who raised Czech lines now breed a mixture of sporty and Czech. Of course, if you do not socialize them, you will have problems with any dog ​​but many times I read here and in Alpinek9 that people are happy because their DDR or Czech dog does not let anyone approach, I honestly do not understand, the truth is that I have only heard him say to people with DDR or Czech and not sports, it seems that people want Czech or DDR just because of their appearance and intimidation. Personally, the Czechs I know are quite antisocial, I like to mix.

The truth is that in Spain they are becoming fashionable because of their appearance, people do not know what they buy, breeders only think about making money.

many sportpeople are thinking or being told civil agression is not good, its bad nerves etc,think its fear based, which is most stupid misstake of thinking,

many of todays sportpeople dont even know how to work with agression, dominance etc,

unfortunately, if you want anything else than sport you need other things than biddable,fooddriven preydog

I'm not saying that I don't like Czechs! But I like them mixed, we have brought one from the Midollyk kennel recently, Coco Midollyk, Eqidius, Spod Lazov ...

txarkoeta
country of dog's origin doesn't matter. all depends on objectives of breeder, who produce dogs.
Czech/Slovak breeders went international market and to get a success there they need to adapt own breeding programs to required type of dogs for a major money paying segment of market.
so it would be incorrect to say that by character their dogs today somehow much differ from dogs of western breeders, even without mix with western dogs.

So you are saying that the character of Czech-Slovak lines has no difference from those of West Germany? Have I understood correctly?