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by ValK on 11 September 2020 - 19:09

RLHAR
you said "he has never performed a live cover" and strangely no one raised question - is that dog potent to pass own qualities to descendants?
dog can be very good by itself but not necessarily mean to be potent producer.

by Hired Dog on 12 September 2020 - 05:09

Valk, how do you find out if a dog is a good producer again? Oh yeah, you breed him once or several times with several different bitches, that's right....

by ValK on 12 September 2020 - 11:09

if you look at pedigree tree even most superior dogs, there are not all descendants become top producers.
any mating, if isn't repeat one, to some degree is experimental but i doubt, serious breeder who is looking stud service for good bitch with purpose to produce decent litter, would jump to pay top buck for something unproven and unknown.


RLHAR

by RLHAR on 12 September 2020 - 13:09

Valk that is a fair question.

It is an unknown and won’t be known until we get a litter which is why I have only asked for pick male and nothing more.

What makes me hopeful is Erik’s dam line. From the research I’ve done Facka appears to have thrown consistency and her progeny are dogs that work. K9, SAR etc. Erik is half brother to Clif Vicona who has produced and the progeny from him I have seen have also been consistent.

My faith is in Facka, and in the health and temperament of my dog. If he brings clear headed, environmental stability and excellent physical health aren’t those good known qualities to start from?

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 12 September 2020 - 14:09

Whether the dog produces or not, is a risk "I" as a breeder take everytime I go and breed to a dog.
There is zero guarantee and honestly, that is an implied risk that we have to take. Even with known producers it's a risk whether or not this specific combination I have in mind, actually clicks.


by Hired Dog on 12 September 2020 - 15:09

BE, exactly right. Pedigrees help, they may tell you some "potentialities", but, until you have the actual puppies to look at and wait for a couple of years until those puppies are 2 years old and see how they actually are....everything else is pure conjecture.

Koots

by Koots on 12 September 2020 - 17:09

From my conversations with people who have actual experience with Facka and her dam line, she is a great producer and mother. A sire from a breeding on Facka has a better than average chance to produce good dogs, IMO. In another thread there is discussion about breeding on a dam line vs sire line - I think it's a better recipe for success to breed on a great dam line.

by ValK on 12 September 2020 - 17:09

above i mentioned repeat mating which gives most assured output. 
whatsoever when stud dog prove consistency of outcome by producing satisfactory quantity of good descendants with different bitches, it gives significantly better odds for success even if that a new mating.
as example Ingo. he was very known in DDR to be a strong producer and many of his descendants inherited this potency and itselves did become good stud dogs. must remind, in DDR breeding wasn't commercial enterprise even among civilian population. all registered dogs was surveyed and only those, who showed exceptional qualities been recommended to be used for breeding with particular matching bitches.

Ingo


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 12 September 2020 - 19:09

From my conversations with people who have actual experience with Facka and her dam line, she is a great producer and mother. A sire from a breeding on Facka has a better than average chance to produce good dogs, IMO. In another thread there is discussion about breeding on a dam line vs sire line - I think it's a better recipe for success to breed on a great dam line.

Agreed.


rakeshausky

by rakeshausky on 13 September 2020 - 10:09

Just for comparison purposes, I can and have bred to a V rated, KKL, IPO3, ZVV2 stud previously used by Jinopo. Hips, elbows and DM testing was done as well. His stud fee was $1300 and the owner has offered a repeat discount to me to use him for $1200. He did produce wonderfully for me and the other females that he was bred to after mine. He was also already proven as a sire for Jinopo by the time that I had bred to him. Again, this is only for comparison purposes for your original question on what stud fee you should charge.





 


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