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by Hundmutter on 09 October 2020 - 02:10

Why bother to have separate topic threds, we may as well just 'set the world to rights' on all fronts, in every post !

Yes TWC, I agree with you that there is a lot wrong with the world.

But please whoa ! and come down off the high horse re this thred - its part of a continuum in the whole specific question of ideopathic epilepsy IN THE GERMAN SHEPHERD. A little research before you dumped on us might have revealed to you that there is a wealth of information already on PDB, which most posting here seem to have read; an awareness that it truly is a horrible health problem for both dogs and owners; a problem with the way the genetic link prevails; a problem with breeders who do not know, or sometimes care, about transmission, being doomed to repeat previous errors; and yes, there are some 'breeders' who deliberately hide it and lie about it and refuse to acknowledge it etc (but that is probably true of a minority of people in all breeds and with all heritable diseases, so nothing new there !)

Marilyn is just trying to wake a few people up (again / this week); we need to do it at intervals to raise awareness !

by jillmissal on 09 October 2020 - 07:10

I obviously have seen far more than my fair share of diabetics going into full blown shaking from their blood sugar being out of whack.

That's not a "seizure," which is the entire point. 

by Marilyn on 09 October 2020 - 08:10

Thanks for the support Hundmutter and jillmissal. I have private messaged ThatWasClose to find out what that vitriolic post was all about.

I had even thought of adding a video of Logan fitting for those unenlightened breeders who state that they have never seen a dog fit hoping it will prick their conscience, if they have one.


by Sunsilver on 09 October 2020 - 09:10

I have private messaged ThatWasClose to find out what that vitriolic post was all about.

Yes, most of us are really scratching our heads over what triggered it!

Just wanted to clarify one thing: As stated before, diabetic 'seizures' are not epileptic seizures. And they can be stopped by using a type of glucose gel that can be put into the person's mouth, and safely absorbed through the mucus membrane, without putting the person at risk of aspirating. Paramedics carry this gel with them.

Let's get back on topic... a number of dogs that are known fitters ARE named in the threads I posted earlier. None of them are recent, though. One of the threads traces the Alsatians back to the German dogs responsible for bringing epilepsy into that part of the GSD breed.

Marilyn, I have seen a dog have a very prolonged seizure. It's heartbreaking to watch. (Even worse: holding your husband while he's seizing... :'(   )


by Marilyn on 09 October 2020 - 10:10

Hi Sunsilver. None of the old protagonists are in his pedigree history, so we are all scratching our heads. I have looked up all the dogs mentioned on this thread to no avail. Which is why I started this thread, hoping some of the modern day breeders would have a pang of conscience. It is not a witch hunt and I am not out to damage the dog's reputation, but just so I know where it has come from. If we have some knowledge of the deceased dogs or bitches possible legacy, tomorrow's breeders know not to mate (a) to (b).

My heart goes out to you as my brother used to take them when we were very young and it was scary.


by Sunsilver on 09 October 2020 - 13:10

Thanks, Marilyn. That's far behind me now - I lost him the year he had the stroke (November 2004), after 11 long months of sheer hell.

Still think of him every day...


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