Japan Dog Fighting is Still Legal - Page 3

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by ThatWasClose on 14 August 2020 - 18:08

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by Hired Dog on 14 August 2020 - 19:08

I am very impressed with your accomplishments as well as your situational awareness, please continue on your current path. Also, I take back what I said about doing some research or examining pieces of information, you seem to know everything and have it all under control. Again, have a great weekend and stay safe in BFE.

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by Western Rider on 14 August 2020 - 20:08

Hired Hand I don't doubt that dog fighting started out as a test with Cajun rules. When I see reports of rings that were/are run by shall we say persons not interested in bettering the breed and that the dogs were pitted against one another for nothing more than money.  I call them cowards who can't fight themselves and use abuse the animals for pleasure

by Rik on 14 August 2020 - 22:08

there were 2 "big time" kennels in my area and keep in mind, this was several decades ago and some of it is 2nd. hand info.

the first was in my town. I was in high school and all my info came 2nd hand from people in the local pool room (that participated/attended these fights) . this farm was on a main road, so I did see the dogs first hand many, many times. they were in my estimate approx 35-45#. they were pretty much black, looked like a cross between a bully and a staff. nothing like the pit today.

the housing was a car axle, cut in half and driven in the ground and a heavy chain attached to the axle hub and to a heavy collar on the dog. there was a house for each dog, they could not reach the next dog, the axle hub allowed the dogs to rotate in their space. there were dozens of dogs.

the guy that owned this farm wasn't some type mafia guy, I was too young to understand if he was dangerous. I do think someone has to be a psychopath to participate in something like this.

From my understanding, it was not a proofing/breeding kennel. it was big time, big money, fight to the end dog fighting.

don't want to be boring, I'm stuck at home and just rambling. I can share more if anyone is really interested.

by ThatWasClose on 14 August 2020 - 22:08

Please share more.

by GSCat on 14 August 2020 - 23:08

May all of the dog fighters get mauled and eaten by their dogs.

What happens to the dogs is so horrible and the suffering is so terrible, that prosecution and jail time are too good for the "people" that participate, whether as breeders, trainers, fighters, and/or bettors. Most of the breeders of these dogs knew exactly who and what they were breeding for.

Many females past breeding or no longer needed for breeding were simply turned loose to suffer and die on the street. Dogs that lost fights were plugged. Sometimes dogs couldn't be saved because there wasn't enough left of them to save. Sometimes they could be saved, but were unable to be rehabilitated so they couldn't be rehomed, so they got put down. Sometimes there were so many of the fighting breed/mixes in the shelters that they all couldn't find homes, so more got put down than adopted.

Kittens, non-fighting-breed dogs, and not-worthy fighting breed dogs were used as bait animals. Absolutely brutal.

I'm going to stop here. It gets worse, but I think everyone gets he idea.

As it is, I'll have nightmares, but every bite, claw, scratch, cut,, infection, etc. that I got busting participants and intervening on behalf of the animals was well worth it.

 


by Rik on 14 August 2020 - 23:08

O.K. :)

so a little background. I am in what is referred to as the foothills of the Appalachians. some people in the U.S. will understand what that means, lots of people here will not.

I am actually the first male member of my family line that was not either a "share cropper" or a moonshiner/whiskey maker. my aunt (mothers sister) was the first to graduate high school. I was the second.

the guys name (and he has been gone many, many years} was J.T. Alexander. a fellow schoolmate, that lived next to this farm did work on it.

he said that the method for "proofing" puppies was a cow hide attached to a pole (seesaw) fashion. the cowhide was lowered into the puppy pen the pups would lock onto the cow hide. it was raised up (puppies hanging on) and tied off. eventually, the weak puppies would release and were disposed of.

the puppies left were deemed worthy of taking to the next level.

by ThatWasClose on 15 August 2020 - 00:08

Going a little off topic here...When I grew up culling animals was a common thing. Puppies. Livestock. Fowl. There was no feeling sorry for a mouth to feed that could never work or produce as it was intended to. Actually it was considered inhumane to keep a deformed/disabled animal at birth.

by GSCat on 15 August 2020 - 04:08

People still do put down animals if they're going to suffer or it's too expensive/cause too much suffering to treat/save an animal. If it's a money thing, the term is "economic euthanasia." People do have a responsibility to do what is right for their animals, and sometimes that does mean putting an animal down or repurposing/rehoming it.

There are a lot of animals, which are not perfect, and might be/are deformed/have a condition/illness/etc., but which do serve useful purposes. Perhaps not the original intended purpose, but useful, none-the-less. Examples: a dog that needs a doggie wheelchair that does therapy work, especially in a children's ward, spinal cord rehab, etc., or a Siberian Husky that is unable to pull a sled, but is able to detect seizures, or a three-legged dog that still loves life and makes a great pet, etc., etc., etc.




Mindhunt

by Mindhunt on 15 August 2020 - 11:08

I was unfortunate in witnessing the tail end of a few dogs fights when I was a medic and we used to run with law enforcement and animal control on suspected dogfights, we went with them in case one of the officers was injured since busting up a dog fight carried significant risk. I learned more than I ever wanted to about dogfighting.  I will never forget the last look a bloody ripped up dying dog gave its fleeing owner, tail wagging as the other dog finished it off (everyone ran leaving the dogs to finish the fight, both dogs were shot by law enforcement).  The smell of blood, feces, and urine, human sweat.  The fear in the dogs' eyes, the steel tank with about 6 inches of water and a battery bank next to it with cables, one ending in a probe the other a large alligator clip, for electrocuting the dogs that turned "cur" (ran from the fight) or were too damaged to survive.  We HATED running on those calls and dogfighing was big in the area back in the 90's and currently, especially among those in professional sports like NFL.  One animal control officer told me how the dogs would panic when a dogfighting kennel was busted and they would round up the dogs for transport.  Rarely where the dogs aggressive to people (they would be killed horrifically if they ever showed aggression to a person, at least those following traditional Cajun Dog Fighting Rules and yes there are strict rules to dogfighting).  These dogs knew when they were transported, it was to fight so when Animal Control rounded them up, many would urinate or defecate on themselves in fear.  How anyone can think this is a sport is beyond me and how anyone can make a joke about it is a sad statement indeed.

Dogfighting in Japan is often tied with the Yakuza, a money-making enterprise that also honors the tradition of gambling.  Asian counties are known for their cruel exploitation of animals for the sake of "tradition" such as medicinal bear bile collected from living "battery" bears, dog meat, rhino horn, etc.  Japan was also known for its fads regarding pets, those no longer in vogue were often abandoned for the new "in" pet, such as what happened to the hundreds of Tibetan Mastiffs, many abandoned and ending up in the dog meat markets.  Dogfighting, even in this country, is often tied with tradition and culture, much like bullfighting is considered in Spain.  A cultural icon not to be changed just because most of the rest of the world consider blood sports with animals horrific cruelty.  A country is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable members such as children and animals.  Thankfully many countries have citizens that are as horrified as we are and are fighting to change conditions for animals.






 


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