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by RLHAR on 12 July 2020 - 11:07

Thank you, everybody for the thoughts and insights.

To answer a couple of questions I’ve seen, what I want for myself is (hopefully) a puppy who inherits his father’s work ethic/puzzle solving drive, who I will then train up into an SAR/HRD dog.

I had the pleasure of attending a seminar with a range of dogs, from fairly inexperienced to very experienced, working HRD. There was such a stark contrast between the dogs who were working the search because they were in drive to work out the puzzle, vs the dogs who harried about, just trying to “get to the end” so they could get their toy.

From my years working my boy and living with him, I know he has that work/puzzle drive and for me I am hoping that breeds down the line to his puppies.

I also know, from working him, that he can bring hard, full, calm grips to the table as well as physical and genetic soundness. He is aloof without being suspicious, (unless given a reason to be, in which case he is very alert on a threat) he is environmentally sound, and clear in the head so he brings that to the table as well. Those are the start of the list, I won’t bore you with details.

On the weakness side, he does not forgive mistakes easily, he is very sensitive to correction from his handler, and he has 0 prey drive. A lot of people told me to give up on him because of that last one. He’s also very long in the back and would benefit from being “shortened up”.

What I hope from the female is more forgiveness, a bit of prey drive and a little less length from the ribcage to the haunches.

Again, I am not looking to become a breeder. I have a desire for a puppy for the reasons I stated above, and I believe he can bring some good qualities into the breed from a health, temperament and workability perspective. He’s no flashy sport dog, just a good sound dog.

by Hired Dog on 12 July 2020 - 12:07

Has this dog ever been bred? If so, have you seen any of his off spring and do they have the qualities you are seeking?
If the answers are negative, it is a big chance you are talking by hoping to get a puppy out of him that will inherit the qualities you are looking for.
I have had a few of what I considered outstanding dogs in the past, but, I knew, even though I have never been a breeder, that to get what I want, I would have to start with a young adult that can show me exactly what I want to see.
I am raising a puppy now, he is great, so far, but, its a gamble, it always is. Will he be the dog I want when he is an adult...maybe, but, maybe I will waste two years of raising the wrong dog too. Best of luck to you.

by ValK on 12 July 2020 - 12:07

picture, you posted on pedigree, won't allows to evaluate physical appearance, so it's impossible to to say if that dog need to be "shortened".
in regards of expectation for breeding outcome - Hired dog absolutely correct in asking about previous matings.
dog can be outstanding by itself but with absent potency to pass own qualities as a stud dog to offspring.


by RLHAR on 12 July 2020 - 13:07

No he has never been bred. Breeding is always a gamble but given the production record of his half brother from the same dam, as well as Facka herself’s production record; I know this is the route I want to pursue.


by emoryg on 12 July 2020 - 14:07

If you’re looking for a pup from your male, you might want to take your unproven dog and run him with a proven bitch.  Perhaps a late 6 or early 7 year old that has plenty to show for herself so you can access her attributes.   Some breeders will part with an older brood if they know she will just be dropping one or perhaps two more litters and will be well cared for in her late age.  There are other options for an older female as well. 

Sid Pixner or B Ja Na Ka are just two of the lines you may want to look at.  They have the potential to produce a more handler hard female with some have excellent prey.  If they can bring that to the table with your male is a different story.  The male should bring the hardness to counter the female’s sensitivity, but also to complement her sharpness.  You will have to reverse that order and hope for the best.  I would go with the older brood who not only has want you're hoping for, but has shown to produce it.  You're still rolling the dice, but at least you know what to bet on with the female.  

You mention work/puzzle vs harried about search work.  That’s a sign of intelligence and should be of the utmost importance with any GSD breeding. 


by CSMHM0 on 19 July 2020 - 11:07

From my experience.

Typically for frozen semen I would build a bitch for the dog. This of course takes a tremendous amount of effort and TIME, probably generations and several mistakes along the way, it can take 10 years to build such an animal. The good news is, the semen is not going anywhere and to do it justice be it one of my dogs or another dog I would like to bring into our line, this is our methodology

Q Man

by Q Man on 19 July 2020 - 16:07

I think of a pedigree as a tool...Only a tool...One of the things that goes into what I look at...I want to know the dogs and look for complimenting each of them...So personality...working ability...and conformation are all very important in my mind...
I have my own criteria of what I look for...but when I read what "Duke" said it's the way I look at it...
If you want to breed a bunch or if you only want to breed one time...Listen to the folks that have done it and have experience...
If you'd find the perfect female for your male...then you breed...then the pups can be totally different...
Are you going to buy a female that you like or are you planning on breeding to someone else's dog? Has your male ever bred before? Do you know what he produces? These are all questions that must be looked at...



by RLHAR on 20 July 2020 - 10:07


I answered your questions already.

This is why coming here to start doing research and legwork is such a gamble. I have explained my situation, answered questions asked and stated that this is simply a first step in a long journey.

With only 1 public exception, no one has done me the courtesy of answering my question.

It’s disheartening to be so thoroughly patronized as well as obviously ignored when I take time to respond to other forum members questions.


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