Sport to LE? Who's done this? - Page 24

@ joan, we hardly ever test anything two year old, but most are between 7 and 11 months, and intention/motivation can be seen at that age as well

and it is correct that prices that border patrol etc, pay for green dog are much higher than untrained family or sport prospect

 

@ vito, you really got to understand that a sportdog 15 years ago was different package as todays sportdogs, also showlines in the time of mink where different than today

you want a pedigree, only to find one dog on there to prove your point, hans gave you name, I gave you names, you go ignoring that, but how about those names, they produce or are top sport dogs, but not to be found in policedog lines, isnt that what you are asking for

generally speaking most suitable policedogs offered these days are mixes anyway

when pedigree GSD are tested and purchased by me, the names on pedigrees in first generations are hardly ever of the famous podium dogs, coincidence, I think not, Ive mentioned names here several times of dogs that can be frequintly found on strong dogs, Torr opavia hof, coudy z udoly upi, charon favory cross, top kirchberghoff, vampir kirchberghoff, if you are smart guy you can fill in the names im NOT mentioning, but which DO have a lot of offspring, and from which I DO see a lot of 

I disagree. How do people like Duke determine a two year old dog is suitable for LE if they must be tested as very young pups for being civil ?

How would you determine a pup is civli before it even has it's adult teeth, when it's too imature to push into civil response?

sure, you can test the dog at any age. but older the dog become, harder to distinguish without harsh, cruel method of test, where is genetics at work and where training/life experience blended into dog's behaviour.

a priory the civil side available in every dog. every dog will bite.
what set them apart is on what conditions, under what circumstances dog would employ this ability. you can be assured, the dominant, bold, selfconfident and sharp dog more likely won't be hesitant to go into fight than shy one.
i said before - dog's civility isn't standalone trait. it must be bundled with another traits, which assure civility as goodwill act and not as just last resort in defense.
this is what for you do the test on pup.

Hans
What's your take on this dog?

Or this one?  

Can't get the video to work.  Let me work on it. I'm curious what you think about these dogs.  Your input on Joan's video was interesting.

https://vimeo.com/116103968

Duke
Giving me one sport dog that hasn't produced a police dog? I already acknowledged that. It is ridiculous, and impossible to know. One name of a dog? Really? I'm sure, without really trying, you can come up with WUSV competitor that didn't even produce a puppy. And Hans gave me a name? Yeah, someone he's had dealings with and a bone to pick. Odd that his bitch with them is on his front page of his website. A WUSV competitor that's 50% WG. Wait, not a competitor, #17 in Czech Qualification Trial for the WUSV.

Not so much you, Duke, but there are a lot of people here that talk out their rear. Talking out of both sides of the mouth. You can't poo poo something you essentially sell.

vito, its a simple fact we face everyday, if you dont like the facts we are dealing with, fine by me

Vito:" I know, top sport dogs are shit, Vikar uses them, their not defensive enough, but they're in basically all the dogs on Jiris site"

Prager Hans: what are you talking about Vikar has JINOPO dogs in it's pedigree? Or vice versa? Maybe I did not understand what you are saying,. Please show me pedigree like that. And please snarly remarks are not necessary.

Vito I do not have to give you my take on the video because I have owned this dog. She is very intense, tenacious and serious as a heart attack.She is totally civil and courageous. even in unknown environment and under stress. I have had a litter out of her of some serious pups.
Storry: I was playing with flirt pole with one of the pups. Little male. Pup 8 weeks old chased the sock on the flirt pole for about 15 seconds and I did not let him catch it. The pup stopped and I could see him thinking and then he with his eyes followed the line from the sock to the pole and then to my hand. He then disregarded the toy and came and bit me hard in my hand which was moving the flirt pole. I was going to keep the pup but client came and made me offer I could not refuse and I have sold the pup. One has to pay bills that is the sad part of the strorry.
Anyway Dona - the pup's mother- the dog on the video - is now a police dog in one of the Arizona police departments. She is a part of the pilot program introducing females to LEs. She is a good representative of our work and is impressing the heck out of LE instructors.
So what is my take on her one of the best females I have seen for serious work.

 

Vito, I have a bone to pick with someone? You are way to cryptic. Bitch on front page. I have no bitch on front page.  And someone I had dealings with and a bone to pick? What to fk are you talking about? Spit it out. Actually, at this point, you have lost me and I do not know what you want. You ask a question and I give you answer and you get pissed of saying "do not tell me this again" ? SMH  

In any case, I have to say that I basically agree with Duke in this discussion. I thought maybe some of you would like to know that.:)