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by ZweiGSD on 31 July 2018 - 22:07

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 31 July 2018 - 23:07

Very good information!

Thank you for the link!

by 2Cats on 02 August 2018 - 12:08

Thank you guys!!! You are awesome!!
Yes we are planning on supplementing with cooked chicken breasts or ground beef, etc...maybe raw...still learning the whole raw thing.

by joanro on 02 August 2018 - 13:08

2 cats, if you are talking about raising a puppy, a large breed puppy, I would caution you about adding anything to the dog food.
If you are going to feed Victor Nutra Pro, for example, and you add chicken or beef ( no matter cooked or raw) then you are upsetting the balance in the ingredients. In other words, throw away any research on ingredients protien sources, balance of calcium/ phosphorus (which is of utmost most importance to grow a healthy large breed pup) and go with any junk feed Walmart sells, add all the meat you want, and your pup will be better off . You either feed raw, or you feed a balanced diet using quality feed like Victor Nutra Pro....you cannot raise a healthy puppy mixing the two. And feeding raw to raise a puppy is asking for problems.
This is what happens when people get advice on forums; trying to follow everyone who gives random advice who don't take in the whole picture ( growing a large breed puppy with out causing skeletal problems), the pup is the one that pays....and when the pup develops skeletal issues from too much of a good thing, the brand of dog food is always blamed instead of realizing ....NO additives are supposed to be supplimented with a Balanced dog food. Because you are creating UN- balanced dog food adding meat or any other suppliment such as vitamins and minerals. Research is for knowledge to make wise decisions...following random advice to throw in this or that ingredient is not wise....nor going to help your puppy grow up healthy.

P.S. please read this site. It has valuable information that can help you make wise decisions to prevent skeletal issues occuring in your puppy...... Your puppy's quality of life depends on your knowledge.https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/best-dog-foods/best-large-breed-puppy-food/

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 02 August 2018 - 16:08

Joan, this is pretty good research (the article I posted), and it should make everyone think twice about feeding ONLY kibble!

During the past 30 years there has been a 1,500 percent increase in the incidence of bloat, and this has coincided with the increased feeding of dry dog foods. There is a much lower incidence of bloat in susceptible breeds in Australia and New Zealand. Feeding practices in these countries have been found to be less dependent on dry foods.

Wetting the kibble does not help, either:

Several diet-related factors were associated with a higher incidence of bloat. These include feeding only dry food, or feeding a single large daily meal. Dogs fed dry foods containing fat among the first four ingredients had a 170 percent higher risk for developing bloat. Dogs fed dry foods containing citric acid and were moistened prior to feeding had a 320 percent higher risk for developing bloat.

Source: https://www.vin.com/apputil/content/defaultadv1.aspx?meta=Generic&pId=11165&id=3848657

by joanro on 02 August 2018 - 17:08

Sunny, I have been feeding kibble to dogs for 60 years....I have never, ever had a dog bloat.
I have had cow dogs, hunting dogs, ratting terriers, sled dogs, performing dogs, schutzhund dogs, breeding dogs, raised a hundred puppies, and whelped dozens of litters...fed kibble to every single one of them...NEVER EVER had any bloat!
If a person is going to raise a puppy, especially a large breed puppy, they are jeopardising the long term skeletal health of their pup if they jack around with adding anything to a kibble that is already balanced.


by joanro on 02 August 2018 - 17:08

That statement about moistened feed that contains citric acid is meaningless having 320% more bloat is meaningless. Picking out ONE ingredient! Excluding whether or not the kibble is grain based, what breed of dog, how did they cause the dogs to bloat for research sake, how much potable water was available to the dogs in the experiment, what was the source of meat, if any meat in the kibble( could have been a brand being used in the experiment that utilized euthanized cats and dogs for meat source) ?

We could do the same thing saying dogs that were fed moistened kibble and going for car rides more than twice a week have 320% chance of getting bloat....maybe they are being fed corn based kibble and eight cups stead of two, moistened and then dogs all put on a treadmill at high speed for three hours after eating for research sake!
See, I rather tell people who ask what my experience is, instead of relying on ' research ' about how many dogs bloat for the sake of research. Did they test how much pressure is required the snap a leg to demonstrate weak bones in those miostened kibble fed dogs?

by 2Cats on 10 August 2018 - 21:08

Hi guys, thanks for all the info, the breeder has them on royal canin...I am happy to get him on victor and staying on it without any supplements as victor is a much higher quality then the average dog food. My husband wanted to put him on orijen or acana, but they have lawsiuts against them and they are being bought out by mars...so that is going to be a no go.I like victor, i think it will be great for him!

 

Prager

by Prager on 13 August 2018 - 15:08

In Czechoslovakia where I am from the bloat in dogs was almost unknown until they introduced commercial dog food. Before that time the dogs were fed mostly kitchen leftovers and meat.
My conclusion - commercial dog food causes bloat. My advice: Feed meat. Preferably raw.

by joanro on 13 August 2018 - 18:08

Grain causes bloat..don't feed grain!


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