by susie on 16 January 2018 - 21:01
Every poster wrote that this is no dog for beginners...
and we are talking about a Mal, not about a GSD....
In case you really want to compare this dog to a child - there is no "father" - this "child" was abondened at least 3 times; and every "stepfather" teached this child the more agressive, the better.
This kind of "training" is not at all uncommon - like Duke said "overloaded" - not by genetics, but by training for the purpose of sale/money.
And the buyer may deal with the problems resulting out of this training...
by ValK on 16 January 2018 - 21:01
and can you enlight me how such behaviour can be differently evaluated in respect to different breeds?
by susie on 16 January 2018 - 21:01
I just tried to point out that a lot of dogs that are raised and trained with the Intention of a good sale learn to bite as hell, but they don't learn to "out".
The dog in question may have learned: as soon as I "out" there will be the next prey item...In this case the ball.
Agitation, but without success - not in the trainingbook, the dog overloaded/overstimulated so there is no other option than biting the next available goal...
We are not talking about a pet, but about a not well trained working dog.
I normally don't care about the breed, dogs are dogs, but Cent was talking about GSDS although the dog in question is a Mal.
Every dog is able to "overload", but a nice workingline Mal , bred for over the top prey drive, paired with natural aggression, is the perfect candidate for the described behavior when trained wrong.
Just my opinion, I don't know the dog.
by Centurian on 16 January 2018 - 21:01
If your read my post , I was making a general commentary about the GSD . I stated that my last post was not in reference to a dog that was put through the ringer and I stated the post was not directed at any poster i.e. their comments.
I entered that commentary because there still exists people that see and have dogs that redirect aggression towards them and think they are good dogs and great to own and work . At times I have read former threads on the PDB , that some people that handle these kinds of dogs don't mind when the dog shows handler aggression .
But now that people bring up ' prey drive over loading '.. I pose this question .. do you think this is good genetics and do you think these dogs , Mal , GS ,whatever have good mentality ? Many people don't look at the genetics as it relates to the mentality of the dog. IMOp in a canine , in association with temperament these are the most important aspects. I leave that for the readers and posters to discern ...
by susie on 16 January 2018 - 22:01
and most of them do have a lot of prey and natural aggression, they are bred for these traits.
Seems to work...not for the pet family, but for police.
People should know what they want, and what they are able and willing to deal with.
I don't like handler aggressive dogs, but the dog in question seems to have other problems. This dog wants to bite, and the handler ( for sure someone who did not train this dog ) seems to be the next available "item"...
by ValK on 17 January 2018 - 00:01
i don't know if that true or not but from all available info i've come to same conclusion as Centurian did - most likely bad genetics. i have seen plenty of above average aggressive dogs and from own experience can tell that such trait don't come from the blue mood. there was a genetic predisposition to such behavior. could be that dog was bought as ready for duty and previous owner didn't disclose this issue and buyer didn't do vigorous testing. who knows. but should be absolutely obvious, this dog doesn't fit to any use, other than guard dog or companion dog for cool dude in ghetto. maybe you're experienced enough to tame down dog's behavior but in any case you'll have sort of time bomb with no clue when it will blast.
in regard of mali vs. gsd your statement sort of misleading. present rise of mali caused by lack of sufficient quantity of bred for work GSD but definitely not superiority of BM breed over GSD.
by KAL on 17 January 2018 - 09:01
by Centurian on 17 January 2018 - 14:01
Simple : Dog you get a bite when I say so and when I say out /cease, you out ! And if you ever think about biting me . I'll take you for a helicopter ride. [ figuratively speaking of course] . That is how you handle a dog that won't / can't handle itself.
by yogidog on 17 January 2018 - 16:01
by ValK on 17 January 2018 - 17:01
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