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by Rik on 11 December 2017 - 00:12

honestly, someone is offended because probably half the worlds population considers "52" as old. I remember when my mom turned 30 and I cried because I thought she was old. Now "old" to me is my dad who is 90. It's relative.

it was a poorly trained dog, poorly trained handler and the only positive thing is that the woman was not shot for resisting.

by hexe on 11 December 2017 - 02:12

Reliya, and Rik as well--no worries, it was a joke and nothing more on my part...my hide is far tougher than that.

Breaksticks have been around for centuries, though the one shown in the clip Black Malinois posted is a nice update on the old design, as they're quite compact and can be disinfected. I'm old-school as well, 'out' means 'NOW' and it's back to the training board if the dog doesn't comply.

Trouble is that most K9 handlers are trained to be law enforcement officers, and the dog handling assignment comes along later as an add-on. Few of the handlers are REALLY dog-men who spent any of their free time, before or after becoming LEOs, learning how to read and train dogs--these handlers aren't really 'handling' the K9s, they're basically just 'operating' them as if the dogs were remote-controlled units instead of flesh and fur...so they don't know what to do if the 'machine' performs in some manner other than what they saw in training.

The slack-jawed reactions of the officers when the dog latched on to the poor woman is astonishing to me, to be honest--that these three adults thought playing tug-of-war with the dog was the best course of action speaks volumes about what they DON'T know. And if the dog had already shown he wouldn't out on command, he didn't belong on the streets again until the problem had been corrected. It's crap like this that is ultimately going to eliminate the use of K9s in law enforcement eventually.

by Rik on 11 December 2017 - 03:12

apologize hexe, didn't mean it to sound personal. It's just that there will be no repercussions for this. Maybe the woman can sue the city, but anyone should be safe on their own property.

JMO,
Rik
Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 11 December 2017 - 07:12

Sorry JonRob and Western Rider - I just react badly to "after the stable door is bolted" suggestions I guess. (JonRob did say: "Maybe someone should send one to the poor lady...", which came over to me as a poor attempt at humour, especially from a poster whose just been telling us we are all inconsiderate of people with disabilities).


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 11 December 2017 - 07:12

Thumbs UpThumbs UpHexe.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 11 December 2017 - 09:12

If someone is interested in the breakstick from Police K9 in Holland Can order here:

http://www.dogsportholland.nl/index.php?item=breakstick_breekstik&action=article&group_id=50&aid=589&lang=NL

 

http://www.dogsportholland.nl/index.php?item=breekstik_-gebogen-model_-gedeeltelijk-rubber&action=article&group_id=50&aid=910&lang=NL

 

 

 

They put this stick   ( is made from rubber/iron in ) in the throat  for let the dog out....Shades Smile

 

by JonRob on 11 December 2017 - 14:12

Thanks for the link BM. The Holland break stick version would be handy to keep in a training facility.

The portable one in the link that BE provided can be carried everywhere. You never know when some out of control dog, police K9 or not, is going to come charging up and nail you or your dog. There's a boatload of horrifying youtube videos of these incidents, and I have personally had to chase off attacking dogs. Always managed to do it before a dog latched on but I've been lucky. I'm a big fan of prevention whenever possible.

"They put this stick (is made from rubber/iron in ) in the throat for let the dog out"

I think mouth is what you mean. You slide it behind the dog's molars and twist it. This makes the dog loosen his grip to readjust his bite and you then immediately haul the dog off. At that point you may need to choke the dog so he doesn't bite again.

Hund, no problem. As you've seen I take stuff like this very seriously and there's no way I would make a joke of it.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 11 December 2017 - 14:12


Not only  mouth but also throat have seen this by first hand......


by JonRob on 11 December 2017 - 14:12

"Not only mouth but also throat have seen this by first hand......"

That is very interesting BM. If there is a video of it being used this way I would love to see it.
Reliya

by Reliya on 11 December 2017 - 15:12

Hexe, I know you were joking. I was trying to joke back. I guess it didn't translate well.

I've seen people pepper spray attacking dogs before. Would you consider this inhumane or a necessary precaution?

 

Western Rider, could you please change it to just "woman" without the "old?"


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