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by ValK on 12 October 2017 - 13:10

Gustav, i'm not sure what do you mean saying "LE and military dogs are NOT bred to be such". i'm just curious - such is like what?
here in Canada RCMP don't buy dogs to be used for patrol/apprehension from private breeders. they have own breeding facility and for that uses own bred dogs.
they are open for general public on specific days.
i'm not much know about CAF but from what i heard, they do not have K-9 unit at all. for occasional needs they hire service from RCMP.
Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 12 October 2017 - 15:10

Valk, that crossed my mind about the RCMP when i saw Gustav's post. Wonder what percentage of dogs actually makes the cut in their breeding program? It would be interesting to find out!

I've also seen news articles about the RCMP importing dogs from Slovakia, but that was very expensive way of getting new dogs, as not all of the dogs made the grade.

 

Totally agree with what Gustav says about breeding dogs into a corner by breeding for a single purpose. Many breeds have been ruined by this, or split in two (working/show).

by duke1965 on 12 October 2017 - 15:10

different canadian levels of LE do import dogs, but they are willing to pay less than USA for example
Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 12 October 2017 - 16:10

Several British Police Forces have their own breeding programmes & kennels. Obviously if you have good serving dogs you want to try to get them to pass on their effective working characteristics to a decent proportion of their offspring. But they are still breeding GSDs to be first & foremost GSDs, they are not trying, any of them as far as I am aware, to 'bottleneck' them into trying to produce the sort of dog which ValK and some others speak of, sounding as though specialist in their 'channelled aggression', for want of a better descriptive term.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 12 October 2017 - 17:10

One of my dogs went to the Canadian Police... just saying. They basically imported him from the US.

by ValK on 12 October 2017 - 18:10

Sunsilver
i have been there several years ago. as i said, they do have days open for general public and they doing some short show for visitors. i also met old guy, who used to work there. from what i heard, in past they mainly imported dutch dogs but now all their stock is czech dogs. i did asked him about how many of "in house" bred dogs makes out for work. answer was, not too many but he didn't gave exact number. dismissed pups they do sell to public, fixed and no papers.

duke1965
yeah, i have seen some domestic breeders claim they sell dog to RCMP.
only dogs RCMP can buy is the dogs for detection purpose. no patrol dogs at all.

Hundmutter
so, you're in England? i guess that's explains why we have much different view on german shepherd breed (or should i say alsatian) Wink Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iix4Xx8jZlU


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 12 October 2017 - 20:10

Valk, that's HILARIOUS! :D I wonder if it was a real police chase, or just a training exercise. I can't imagine a fully trained dog acting like that.

About 9 years ago, i attended two tracking seminars given by an off-duty RCMP officer. He also did some bitework and tracking demos with his patrol dog. He was small and very fast, and had a bite like an alligator, according to the helper! I'm pretty sure he was Czech lines, but it's too long ago for me to remember details.

by forbes on 12 October 2017 - 21:10

In answer to the question of how many dogs from the RCMP breeding program make it into working as a police dog ...its 17 percent so its pretty low

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/depot/pdstc-cdcp/dogs-chiens/quick-facts-faits-en-bref-eng.htm

their website is interesting...would so get a dog from them if they didn't have a long list

by ValK on 13 October 2017 - 02:10

Sunsilver, i think as a training exercise for lone dog, on street in real life surrounding and with helicopter's monitoring - way too costly venture. most likely some news crew spotted event accidentally.

forbes, 17% isn't really too bad, considering that rejected pups wasn't destroyed or given away for free but sold.
but i'm curious, why would people want to have a pups, which have failed testing?
Reliya

by Reliya on 13 October 2017 - 03:10

Valk, I was just discussing this with someone a few weeks ago. He said that they fail for small things like if you need a dog that can meet expectations within a certain criteria but that dog is off by even a little, it will fail. I don't know how much experience the man was speaking from, though. The dog is still usually a good dog, just not within expectations.


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