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by vk4gsd on 19 May 2017 - 19:05

I have seen many dogs naturally look for an empty wooden box in the forest and stand on it barking & guarding. Its the first thing most dogs think of when they are born.

Wolves and coyotes do it all the time, nothing to do with training and acting.

by susie on 19 May 2017 - 19:05

Why do you think they do so?
There must be a reason...but I am not able to see the sense in this behavior right now ?!?

by vk4gsd on 19 May 2017 - 20:05

my last post was idiotic.

You guys see touch pads used for obed, that's all object guard is, bitework with a touchpad..... and lots of electricity.

You could train a dog to put its rear paw on a touch pad on a wall and guard it - its the complete opposite of territorial aggression. Its prey drive + obedience on a touchpad.

by susie on 19 May 2017 - 20:05

Thank you - I just began to question my own mind... :)

by vk4gsd on 19 May 2017 - 20:05

I have that effect on people.

by susie on 19 May 2017 - 21:05


by duke1965 on 20 May 2017 - 04:05

BM training any exercise that is not natural behaviour will require a reward and/or old style avoidance behaviour, which is looking better these days when properly used Ecollars come in the game

now if the reward is a ball, or treat or a bite doesnot make a difference other than the preference of the trainer and the type of reward that will work best with that individual dog

by vk4gsd on 20 May 2017 - 05:05

I believe the boxer breed were selected for natural "find box among trees and stand on it barking" drive.

The flat nose is from running into boxes at speed that were partially covered by undergrowth.

At the turn of the century the forests were cleared and the natural role of the boxer dog disappeared and the breed has since lost a lot of that instinct.

by BlackMalinois on 20 May 2017 - 07:05


My point is.... natuaral guarding you can,t learn by using whips, balls , food and other tricks to look the dog  better than it  realy is ......

Good guarding dogs are born genetic simple as that .........


by vk4gsd on 20 May 2017 - 07:05

Who says a natural guard is better than a learned one?

Lots of modern dogs have not been selected for guardiness because its comes with a lot of useless baggage that inhibits what most working dogs are required to learn.

It is more functional to teach a dog to guard even tho guard dogs overall are not something the majority of police or other working dog people are interested in.

All those dogs you showed LEARNED to guard the box.


I would rob the handler's house by taking a box and letting the dog guard it while I steal shit.


I bet I could steal the handler's car while is dog is too scared of electric shock to leave the box.

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